angelstorm

well for all you people who believe in perfection, i admire you for having the ability to believe in something without requiring someone to support you, for those who do not believe in perfection, it just means you dislike the thought of something that can be perfect ^^, and you refuse to believe in it because you refuse to allow yourself to see it ^^.

simpler way of saying people who believe in perfection have the ability to believe in everything else those who do not believe in perfection, can i ask do you believe in anything else?

the perfect person.. someone who will always try their best and never let other's bring them down because they won't hesitate to be themself, mistakes can be made but they can also be overcome. just my opinion ^^

its a simple answer, for the price of us causing the war we will help repay the damage we cause, the one thing that can never be returned is the loss of life, but worlds can be rebuilt ^^. war was never an ending, it was a beginning. to be defeated or to defeat another is the end. to fight for something is to make your belief a reality

Crush the optimist? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It never fails to amaze me how pessimists think they're so important to anyone but themselves. At best, they're a joke; at worst, merely pathetic. "Oh, woe is me, I am so miserable!" Sucks to be you, huh? Tsk tsk, what a pity. You should pick a better outlook. Or suffer: that's the other option. But understand that suffering by your own ridiculous choice is nothing but inane.

*Ahem~!* are you making an attack directly/indirectly at me? or are u referring to a pessimist

Erm.....doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite (probably didn't spell that right...)?

the thing is i'd stop as soon as i returned the favour, then i'd resume to how it use to be if that's how they wanted it, if they wanna cal me an ass and not be my frend for backstabbing me first thats' their own problem ^^, i'd rather have an eye for an eye then say "i forgive you" more or less i removed my ability to forgive

The problem today is that everything is based on money, somewhere along the line people forgot about the principal of their actions, (besides making money)

anyways i aint here to take sides, i'm jus saying there's more ways of looking at things then what the majority of people tell you.

but if you really think about it, would you really want to live in a world where the only thing you could do to make yourself noticed was to make more money then others?

Go find out what defines you in 1 word, that shouldnt be too difficult ^^

hai hai~ i'm refferring to diseases that don't have an actual cure, for people who can jus die why prolong their suffering? dying from war can be clean and leave no mess, as to when you let someone live with a disease it can spread to other's and causing more problems. i'd rather lose lives to something that can be stopped instantly/over short amount of time, then keep losing lives to the same thing purely based off the fact that we do not have the technology to cure it nor the knowledge to treat it. is this clear enuff?

Argue against this.. The diference is war can be controlled to when it starts and begins, that is why it isnt as bad as disease, however disease was stumbled upon from human curiosity, research into new things caused diseases to infect the human race, if the human race wasnt so concerned with expanding they wouldnt have entered the territory of where these diseases existed, therefore we cannot control the disease because we did not create it, however when we start a war we also have the power to stop the war.

call my way of speaking "philosophical" or wateva u wanna call it, this is my way of speaking in these circumstances

one thing to keep in mind, if your using revenge as an excuse to be an a**hole/ "So called" bad person.. you've got alot to learn ^^, people who don't trust you just do them a favour and dont trust them back, no need for turnin yourself into a complete you-know-what~, if that's the image you want to grow up with well nvm anything i said ^^.

In my case if someone backstabbed me, i'd stab em right back to make it even >:P~

that's cruelty ^^, well taht's what most people will say anyway, people are too concerned about living that when they realise that they "wilL" die eventually the only thing they want is to live longer and try to avoid the inevitable, war may sound silly but it is a definite solution that will do its task in a short amount of time, not take so long as to "stop helping" people, and if only 2000 deaths happen over several years.. i'm sure that there will be over 2 - 3 times more people born in that time.. aids cancer i dont really care, you were meant to die, the problem is how? well if that's the your fate, why fight it with possibility? but not helping someone who has the ability to recover.. i'm against that ^^

u really want that answer?

hitler wasnt so much of a sad person, he just decided that he'd rather be a bad person instead of being a puppet controlled by others.

and if love is the reason to live.. is love also the reason not to die? if so love is the #1 cause of greed.. think carefully about you guys say.

and what would happen if death didnt exist? think long and hard about this... life and death hold equal value one cannot exist without the other, it is a cycle, if you wish to break the cycle.. well good luck

dont take what i say as an insult^^, think of it more as.. hmm i'm not too sure myself.. most likely its from what i know.. something along those lines

is everyone done here? if so i'll "consider" telling you what the purpose of this was for

for me there can never be a justification of war!!! NO one should be allowed to begin a war and if i would havt to say something i would forbid atomic weapons and all this dangerous stuff! In former times (dark age and so on) a war was a war men against men you had a chance to survive if you were good enough but nowadays you you can be killed without any sign as they have got weapons for distances! If we woulnd't have got such weapons we would not have to fear terrorism as they would have nothing to harm us!!!!!!!!!!!!!

war did not cause the creation of nuclear weapons, the fact that people could invent things to enhance life was also the fact that people could invent things to degrade life, the diference back then was that people invented things to protect life, not to make it better.

Yeah, no wait, death and war are not violence.... gee houston we have a problem.

I quit ...

you lose peace boy, war is violence "no ****sherlock doesnt take a genius to figure that out", on the other hand all life will meet death, if you try to stop death the loss of life will only be greater when the time comes.

war is justified on a scale of survival, however it is not justified for the problems it causes to the way we live

i guess your meaning of ethics is "no violence" and when did i say war was good? the only thing you don't realise is life is the cause of death not violence.

this is a topic of justified war, i never said anything about violence. you just assume death means violence. i'm sorry life was born with the fate of death. and sorry to break it to you, living in a world of peace won't bring you immortality

you've already lost all your saying is the same thing over and over again, my point is that the most important thing to you is your own life then your self image, if a civilised world means a world without weapons that means a civilised world doesnt exist because humans will never drop their weapons, besides if you lived in a world that believed in no violence well sorry to break this to you, its not your world coz a person who will resort to violence is controlling it whether you like it or not. ^^

the actions of others will never define what you are? that's the dumbest thing a person could say, ****it common sense, you assume that their actions is what defines them =.= this is hopeless talking to an old fart like you.

also i'd love an explanation of ethics,

also i see how you think the human race is very weak when u automatically assume we'd lose in the jungle. you dont think humans even have the intellegence to adapt to a new environment, that's jus weak, if human nature is to be only able to survive in your own environment, i'd rather be a part of nature itself not your so called "human nature"

and self defence.. lets say, that's word against word, a world like that, i can jus say i hit that guy because he attacked me. wow your very intellegent.

and when did i say my way of protecting people is to kill someone? your meaning of violence is "killing" although before u said violence is any form of physical assault, in other words self defence is also violence so gg your a violent person.

it is not a humans role to play as god that is where they go wrong, u live in a world which was born from violence, if violence is so bad how can u live in a world which was created that way?

the thing you never understand is that all humans will have the emotions or feelings, there is a 0% chance that you will live in a world where every single human can control themself completely and not commit any sin's that is only a dream and a belief, as soon as the world becomes a world of peace well, 1 person will rule the world.

unlike you i'd protect the people closest to me even if i went to jail, if going to jail means being a super hero then well i'd be glad to, not sure about you but protecting my things is my natural instinct it has nothing to do with self image.

you are purely based off intellegence, the only problem is you won't use it for a purpose, the only thing you use it for is to talk, you fear what will happen when u use it because it will be your fault, it doesnt matter how intellegent someone is if they a afraid of using it.

also, an aeroplane was designed to fly in "earth's" atmosphere it wasnt designed to fly in space, rocketships are designed for that and their doing a decent job for what they were made for, you so called "design of human" is to live in peace of its own race yet they are allowed to crush any other race opposing them, my image of the "human" is to survive, it doesnt matter who your up against as long as you survive.

and violence is a double edged sword, the price you pay to use it is the price you pay for what u gain, violence will never give anything to you for free.

i dont need to wake up either, i'm a realist, sorry i dont live by the beliefs in my own head, i'm sure it must be wonderful to do that and not have to worry, but unlike you i've gone beyond the point of no return. although you havent even taken a step out of your mind yet i'm not sure why you see yourself as such a great thing.

also tell me the price of world peace? or do u not know the price that was paid to create the world you are living in? answer these questions without your "I REPEAT BLABLABLABLABLA" no one likes a spammer

PS: are you really so weak that you can't go against a 16 year old without having at least your family backing up your opinions?

my point is proven here, i have no need to argue with someone as predictable as you. another thing i am not tryin to defeat you, if you cannot understand clearly what i'm saying that's your own fault

to go to war and to lose lives, that is doing the world a favour since the global population growth rate will only increase as people live.

however.. people who pay to gain more time in life would be immoral too because their not the only one on this planet..

not much meaning too it really.. war is required to keep this world alive, if world peace existed humans would bring the destruction of the world because their population just kept growing and along with that the resources on this world would be consumed with them.

you shouldnt see loss of life as such a big thing if you looked at it on a bigger scale, life wil always be born and be taken away, that's the nature of life, although if you tried to stop that chain, life will lose balance and the consequences are unknown

lmao yes yes i'm such a violent person, although i have never attacked anyone in my life. the thing is i'm saying i will if they hold a threat that takes something away from me. i wouldnt result in violence if it only resulted in something that would only damage, damage can be repaired. losing something means losing. that is the part you don't understand.

so tell me something if you don't believe in human superiority. why must u use "technology to defeat an animal? if a human is so brilliant and powerful with its mind why must the bring equipment from their own world and not be able to fight off a create in its own habitat? or is it because humans are so civilised they can create weapons that have the right to destroy everything else except their own race?

there are also situations where not everyone has this "great" human technology because of their intellegence, using something you designed especially for defeating something else doesnt make you better then it, it only means you purpose was to defeat it. so what happens when that happens to you? someone designed a weapon to destroy you, however if they were human you think people that seek power will giv a damn about a bloody person who believes in his own superiority based on the one belief that he will "never" resort to violence?

and tell me how did this world get here? was it because people were being nice to eachother and said please stop attacking me? from what i know WWII crushed germany so that the so called "ALLIANCE" can be absolute, what kind of treaty allows one half of the people to do as they wish and have weapons and such placed wherever they want while at the same time they forbid the opposition to build their own defences.

you don't resort to violence, but the world that your living in today is because of you so called diplomacy, people who wish for peace , law and order and so forth. that's just a nicer way of saying "control" one person does not have the right to control a human race just throughout a process another human created, these things have too many flaws.

i'm not so sure how you can say intellegence brought peace, the world we live in today is suppose to have plenty of intellegent people, but all those "intellegent" people are locking themself in somekind of lab thinking that their doing this for the good of the world yet they only base that off 1 belief, then they become ignorant of everything else while their leeching off the world so they can achieve that 1 belief even though there is no estimate of how much time it will consume.

you still live in a world based on whats in your head.. if its so colourful up there try travelling around the world to every place where humans exist... i'm sure you'd see a very pretty sight..

and thank you for saying no, i was pretty damn sure a person like you would only give a damn about their own self image. that doesnt mean anything to me, people like you arent willing to help other's unless they knew they wouldnt get themself hurt. so moreover your just trying to protect yourself.

and as for violence life threatening? i never said it was, i only asked you what you'd do if you were in that situation, another thing violence is one of the easiest ways to release anger, i'm not sure what kind of life you live thinking that physical assault which only means violence, although that is correct. violence has a purpose. violence doesnt have a single meaning which in your case means violent humans are just "animals that arent civilised"

do yourself a favour live for a week without money and go hunt some animals, no human technology allowed, use your brilliant intellegence to defeat an animal in its own environment.

your values are pretty dam predictable: your life>your self image>your belief>the rest of the world

Where did I ever said I would call others to do anything? are you insane, blinded with the NEED to be violent? I said that I wouldn't resort to Violence (and calling others to be violent is the same).

Also, we are talking about civilized humans here and their human nature, not animals. Yes I would protect my family from a **irrational animal**, but not from another human, why would I do that? People are reading more than there is to read, or reading what they want to read perhaps?

It's the very famous paradox "would you kill someone who is endangering your family"? The violent type will reply promptly: YES. except, they didn't ever stoped to think for a minute: Does that person also have a family, friends? will they also be violent (most likely), so you just stepped up hatred and violence towards you, congrats. You won the battle but you definitelly lost the war.

There is no point to this, you are clearly a violent person who believes violence is ok and natural. I'm not, I live into something called "civilized world", where we like to think violence is not even a resort (not even the last resort). Violence only creates more violence and hatred, take a look at Iraqui or Israel and look what violence ever helped them to solve any differences.

We have too different opinions here, except that I would never resort to violence while it seams you would be ok to punch me on the face were this a not-virtual discussion. Human nature I guess, some didn't quite get over their instincts ... I now see that perhaps violence is part of human nature indeed, since most people fell ok to use it.

It's really funny. People who get irritated on online discussions probably would resort to violence were this real, automatically proving my point.

first of all i wouldnt hit u over a "discussion" another thing isnt "endangering" your family, you will "LOSE" your family there is a huge diference, endangered only hurts, lose is equal to extinct in the case i am using it in,

also whats this "irrational" animal? what about the animals family? or is it irrelevent to you because it isnt human? you jus believe on "human superiority" that's why i'd kick the ****out of someone like you.

and this "civilised world" also the americans supplied iraqis with weapons to fight they didnt just rip weapons out of thin air to start fighting other people. your "civilised" world is handing weapons to other humans so they can have someone else to blame.

another thing, violence isnt a form of hatred, so tell me how do you protect yourself from something violent? ask politely please go away? he's violent he wont listen to you, and according to "you" all violent things are uncivilised. in this case would you give me a CLEAR definition of "civilised humans"? coz from what i know ur saying iraqi's arent civilised because they have acted violently, yet you never even knew why they acted violently.

violence is a tool, you use it to achieve something, either good or bad that decision is up to you.

paradox this "If someone was going to "TAKE" away your family and you will lose them "FOREVER" will you defend them?" this is a yes or no question to see whether you care about your damn self image more then the people closest to you

Being the hated pessimist I am, I dont believe I have a purpose in living. But I can make one.. But Im too lazy to.. Id rather live out my life virtually unknown and have thowe around me feel all special for having a better reason for living. So inadvertently, my life is to make other people happy...

a pessimists job is to crush the optimist, not to make people happy. so gg ^^ don't look down on yourself for being a good person

well anotehr way of saying this is, if a cheetah attacked his family what would he do? will he kill it or will he let the cheetah eat him? or is there another way of removing a hungry cheetah without attacking it? because you aint gonna run from that kind of thing. or as i said, is killing other life forms doesnt count as violence to hiM?

What others do will never change what I am. Violence might be part of the instincts, but one can have self control and not use it. So basically no, I would not resort to violence because I'm civilized and I would try to find other options, since they always exist, if not immediatly available, eventually. Violence will never be the proper and best answer for violence, only punks believe in that.

Just because you can do something that dosen't mean you should do something.

don't make me laugh, so ur saying instead of getting your own hands dirty u tell someone else to do the dirty work so u can keep yourself clean? so how will you feel with a conscious knowing that its your fault that the other person is a punk because he resorted to violence "FOR" you?

or what your gonna tell a non violent person to help you against a violent person? lmao good luck.