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Funny rant about anime fans

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~Fizz
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11 months 3 days ago


Azusa

I Hate Anime Fans
(aka The Rant That Will Have Anime Fans Calling For My Bloody Public Execution)

Right now, I'm sure whoever has enough free time on their hands to read this section is no doubt thinking, "What the hell are you talking about, Azusa? You are an anime fan!" Well, this is true, but I still hate the vast majority of them, much like the fact that I dislike most humans in spite of being one myself. What follows is probably going to be along the lines of a long, maniacal, screechy spree of pent-up bitterness, so if you are the sort of fan who takes great pride in professng yourself to be an otaku, adding honorifics to your name, or proclaiming yourself the Miko of a certain character, you probably shouldn't read this.

Anyway. On to the rant.

I hate anime fans because they are conceited, anal-retentive, silly, thickheaded, ignorant, inane and elitist. It is true that every human being displays these traits at some point in their lives, but most anime fans seem to have gotten an extra helping of them. Most of the time, I find them simply naive, grating, and irritating when they begin to discuss their preferred medium of entertainment.

Hmm, a good example of the sort of thing I'm talking about would be... try going up to the average anime fan and casually referring to sa's favorite show as a "cartoon." Nine times out of ten, you'll get to see the wheels in their head creak a little bit before the veins in their forehead start to twitch and steam starts coming out of their ears moments before they treat you to an extensive, violent rant on how anime is NOT cartoons, you stupid ugly American, it is a high form of art, unlike the half-hour toy commercials produced on this side of the Pacific, and to refer to it as a mere cartoon is to spit upon, pillage and violate all of the elite aesthetic glory that is anime.

Discounting the fact that the marketing blitz accompanying popular shows in Japan often surpasses what we get in the West (we never saw Sailor Moon sausages over here, did we?), 'anime' is actually-- surprise-- just the Japanese word for 'animation'! Thus, Pokemon, Akira, Legend of the Overfiend, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Mickey Mouse, and Fritz the Cat all technically fall under the enormous banner of 'anime'. And last I checked, it was perfectly acceptable to speak of British or European cartoons; there exists no particular provision stipulating that 'cartoon' must refer only to American-produced work. Anime=animation=cartoons. End of story. (On a similar note, it should be noted that "seiyuu" is merely the Japanese word for "voice actor," and calling someone a "seiyuu" does not mean that they are on an artistically higher level than a mere voice actor.)

Somewhat along those same lines, there also seems to exist a rule in the Unwritten Code of Otakudom that denouncing everything Western and championing everything Japanese is an essential part of being an anime fan. Now, I will freely admit that there are many aspects of Japanese culture I do like. I like their tendancy to emphasize effort as more important than innate ability, their social politeness, and the fact that enough people there take video games seriously enough to orchestrate their music (among other things). It is also an irrefutable fact that Pocky kicks ass. However, I know enough of their history and culture (unlike many anime fans, who think they can glean an accurate picture of Japanese society solely from watching subtitled videos) to know that Japanese culture also has its fair share of aspects that aren't admirable. It's still very much a male-dominated society, despite what anime might suggest, and can be downright repressive at times, not to mention there still remains an omnipresent attitude throughout most of Japan that foreigners, no matter how nice and decent, can never truly be accepted as "one of us." And don't get me started on the fact that the Japanese government has never apologized for wartime atrocities committed during WWII... but this isn't a political rant, so what it all comes down to is that you just can't take something as complex as an entire culture and slap it with a quick judgment like that.

The "America bad, Japan good" attitude, though, has ultimately spawned something even more utterly annoying than mere cultural chauvinism, and this is the irritating plague of fans who try to prove their Otaku Eliteness by speaking in weird bastardizations of Japanese and English, attaching honorifics to their names, and transcribing character names according to their original katakana spellings. Now, the first one doesn't always bug me that much unless it reaches a point where English speakers can't actually understand what the hell you're saying. The second one does annoy me, because honorifics are something that depend on your status relative to the person you're speaking to, so giving yourself an honorific makes no sense. The third one makes me want to froth at the mouth and rake my fingernails down the wall before going out to messily destroy adorable woodland creatures.

A word about the Japanese writing system might be useful here. As most anime fans know, the Japanese have a phonetic alphabet-- katakana-- which is used primarily to write words of foreign origin. (The other phonetic alphabet is hiragana, which is used to write Japanese words.) Now, the deal with katakana is that it only contains sounds which occur naturally in the Japanese language-- thus, there is no "l" sound, no "th" sound, and so on. Thus, it is used to write foreign words according to how the Japanese would pronounce them. Katakana words are NOT to be taken as actual spellings when transcribed literally. Many fans, ironically often those who toss off Japanese phrases at the drop of a hat, don't even realize this and think it is Cool or 1337 to romanize character names as they look in katakana. This is just STUPID.

For example, the anime series Slayers, a recent obsession of mine, has a character named "Sylphiel." Since the "si" sound doesn't occur in Japanese, all foreign words containing the "si" sound are written with the letter for "shi." I can't even count how many pages I've seen referring to her as "Shilfiel," "Shilfeel," "Shirufiel," and so on. Likewise, Anthy Himemiya from Revolutionary Girl Utena often has her name butchered into "Anshi" by fans. "Amelia" becomes "Ameria," "Martina" becomes "Maruchina," and... well, anyone who's spent any length of time visiting anime pages has probably seen this. One of the worst examples that I've seen concerns a character in Slayers called "Copy Rezo"-- "Copy" because, well, he is a copy of a character named (surprise) Rezo. However, anime fans PERSISTANTLY and CONTINUOUSLY insist on mangling this into "Kopii Rezo" or "Koppi Rezo." It's an English word. An ENGLISH word!! "Kopii" is just the Japanese pronounciation of the word "copy"! I haven't heard any anime fans claiming that they watch anime on their "terebi" recently. And yet I still see innumerable shrines, fanfics, and self-professed "information" pages referring to "Kopii Rezo."

The ultimate blow to my last shreds of confidence in society, though, was dealt when I saw a page referring to the series whose name is usually rendered into English as "Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon" (Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon, Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon, or Bishoujosenshisailormoon, or whatever the hell the Elite Hard-Core Otaku way of writing it is) written as "Bishoujo Senshi Seeraamuun." Is "Seeraa Muun" the way it is written in katakana? Yes. Did Naoko Takeuchi actually intend the name of her manga to be "Seeraa Muun?" I highly doubt it, especially taking into account that katakana is used mainly to write words of foreign origin, and since the words are written in katakana, the most obvious conclusion is that they're intended to be-- GASP-- foreign words! No, misspelling character and show names does not make you elite. It just makes you look like an idiot. Anyhow, if you've ever even seen any officially licensed Japanese SM merchandise, it usually has S-A-I-L-O-R-M-O-O-N written on it in very unmistakable romaji. Then again, I've fairly well given up on expecting anime fans to display anything in the way of rational thought. These are people who engage in flamewars over whether "Sailor Moon" is one word or two, for God's sake.

Now, I've become increasingly aware that there are more than a few other people who share my view on the vast majority of fandom, but quite frankly, from what I've gathered, most of them are afraid to speak out. And who can blame them? If there's one general characteristic of anime fans which irks me more than any other, it's that they take themselves and their entertainment too damn seriously. Sure, Japanese animation seems to put more of an emphasis on telling a serious story with well-developed characters than most of the animation we get in the West, but it's hardly an inviolable constant. I've seen some extremely crappy anime and some really damned good non-Japanese animation.

Not every anime series is an irreproachable masterpiece of cinematography and character. That said, a bad dub is not the end of the world either. Sure, DiC did a hack job on the English version of SM, but to be frank, it's not as if what existed in the first place was classic cinema either. SM is entertaining fluff, with no deeper meaning to it beyond the usual shoujo series "the power of friendship and love" message. If you're one of the sorts of people who expounds at length on webpages and bulletin boards about the "incredible beauty and power" of SM, why the last episode is the greatest masterpiece of cinema since "Citizen Kane", and how Usagi is a metaphor for Jesus, please do the rest of us a favor and garrote yourself with piano wire. (And yes, before you ask, I have seen the Original Real Japanese Version. I don't want to get started on this. I'm not saying that it's a bad show-- only that most fans take it entirely too seriously.)

In sum, I suppose the gist of my advice to anime fans would be:

1. 'Anime' and 'cartoon' mean the same thing.

2. Watching anime does not make you a qualified expert on the Japanese culture.

3. Sailor Moon (Sailormoon, whatever) is not the be-all and end-all of animated entertainment.

4. Stop taking yourselves so damned seriously. Being an anime fan (or a fan of a certain series, or a fan of subs as opposed to dubs) does not make you superior to the average person.


~ http://azusa.leamonde.net/animerant.html

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~Longbow
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11 months 2 days ago
Lawl, most of that stuff I read is pretty self-explanatory, like how anime just describes japanese cartoon, I'm sure if you go up to someone ask "What's the difference between anime and cartoon?" they'll surely say it's just a category/type of cartoon, and if they want to prove that by telling you the word's origin then so be it.

Japan and American have their strengths and faults. America, for example, has a better military. The Japanese are better with interactive robots. It's kind of pointless to say that Japan is better than America, because it's such a deep topic that none of us have the knowledge to truly decipher which country is 'better'. On that note, I do prefer Japanese cartoons over american ones because they have elements in them not found in most american cartoons, but that DOES NOT mean Japan > America. Personally, the reason I'm more interested in Japanese culture and not so much of north american culture is because I live in north america. I know what it's like here, the culture and stuff we do here, I've experienced much of it. As a result, I try seeking out other country's cultures to try to amuse myself, because Japan has things that America does not. As a foreigner, we're all interested in other people's culture, Japan just stands out and anime has helped that. Simply put, we're interested in Japanese culture because we're getting tired of our own and have started to look around the globe, and thanks to the success of anime, it's allowed people to like Japan, but it by all means prove that Japan is greater than America.

I actually learned a bit from reading his essay, the fact that Katakana was used to spell foreign words and Hiragana was used to write Japanese words. As an anime fan, even I think adding an honorific at the end of my name seems a bit far, as it would sound weird anyways. I sure as hell hope people don't actually do that, at least not everywhere, and I could hardly care how an anime character's name is spelt, as along as there is a general name we can all agree upon, enough to understand which character we're referring to when we use their names.

Hell if an anime studio in Japan tells me their anime is called Card Captor Sakura I'll believe it, but I hated it when the company in America altered its name. His point on Sailor moon is kind of muttered, but something about trying to spell Sailor Moon in Katakana to try to prove you're better at something...

That was a fun read, and I pretty much agree to most of his points, but I kinda wished he'd pick other examples asides from Sailormoon. But then again, I don't think most anime fans, as he states, do all, if any of the above.

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11 months 1 day ago
>_< I sure hope I don't fall into the same pit as those hard core anime fans he flamed lol. I've not really seen any hardcore anime fans before, so I can't really tell how bad the situation is. But I guess it is funny if people tried to show off their knowledge in the Japanese language by twisting everything in katakanas.

Actually I'd beg to differ to say anime and cartoons are synonymous. Exactly because the word anime originates from Japan, it is only natural for it to be used specifically for animation made in Japan wouldn't you say? Though it probably won't be wrong to classify Xmen the animated series as animes, you'd surely draw strange looks from both otakus and Marvel fans. It makes it easier to differentiate between cartoons and animes anyway. Also, with regards to voice actors vs seiyuus. Yes they're the same. But if you were to say seiyuu, others would immediately know you are referring to voice actors/actresses of Japanese games/animes. That's how I see it from a non Japanese point of view.

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~DASHIgod
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11 months 1 day ago
Lmao
funny funny
hard core anime fans are funny
lol
im not THAT hardcore lol
i mean i watch teh shows and il wear a shirt or 2 with them on it
thats not to hardcore....right?
>.>
<.<
>.<
lol

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~Spentzar
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11 months 17 hours ago
Rofl, I left this site precisely for the reasons this Azusa person posted. I just came back because i was bored. And yes i don't care what you all think since im probably not going to come back again, but this site has a shit community dedicated to anime. You have a few people that can do good things in photoshop or other image editing software and the rest are a bunch of retards jammed into this closed space spewing out the same shit over and over and over. I left this place because i was sick of having to hear how different dumbasses declare themselves otakus and that their elitism over nothing suddenly made them experts of anime. I left this festering shithole because i was sick of having to read the same retardedass posts by different people on how bleach was awesome. It wouldn't have been so bad if those people could fucking spell out their words. I'm never coming back here again, thought that things might have changed. Farewell and goodbye to the people who actually know something about anime that visit this site.

to the rest of you retards : eat shit.

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~xasuka
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11 months 16 hours ago

Wow, that was pretty intense o.o The "Seeraamuun" thing made me laugh xD

Don't get me wrong, there are many aspects of Japanese culture that I like, but it's far from perfect, so I must say I agree with most of the points she? mentioned. Particularly the Japan>North America attitude. It annoys me when people blindly claim that Japan is "the best" simply by looking through the narrow window of anime. More so when these people attempt to be more Japanese by speaking "Japanese" and pretty much dismissing everything and anyone American as inferior.

However, I think she exaggerated the issue of "anime vs cartoon" and "seiyuu vs voice actor" a bit too much. True, it's annoying when people freak out over this because anime and cartoons are essentially the same thing, but it's natural to use "anime" to refer to Japanese animation since it's a Japanese word. It would be tedious and repetitive to have to differentiate between the two by saying "Japanese cartoon" and "American cartoon". Most people just keep anime and cartoons separate for easy communication. The same could be said for "seiyuu" and "voice actor". It's just easier to use them as separate terms because saying "Japanese voice actor" and "voice actor" is pretty repetitive.

As a final note, there will always be annoying fans in any fandom, so really, it's best to just learn to live with it.

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11 months 14 hours ago

2. Watching anime does not make you a qualified expert on the Japanese culture.

lol... that was funny, i didn't know people actually do that. I am a hardcore anime fan, but i agree with everything this guy says.

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~kayten
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10 months 3 weeks ago
1.That is right!!
2.That is right!!
3.THAT IS damn RIGHT!!!
4.That is right!!

It is just a hobby, but I´m crazy about it!!(9+_+) emoticon
In my opinion it is just a very nice hobby, i think azusa is just taking it too seriously!! Nothings wrong with being an anime-Fan at all, it´s just the best f***ing hobby you can have at the moment^^ for the winter and autumn season!! It should dominate your live though, thats of course true!! Everywhere you can find extremes, not only in the anime-section!! I personally just love anime!!^^|(VcV)| emoticon call me an idiot, but thats just the way it is!!(9+_+) emoticon
And that is just the way I AM!! And that is how i like myself, and as long as i like what I´m doing, theres nothing wrong with doing what i am doing!!^^:| emoticon

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Oops, i forgot to add the not in the it should dominate your life sentence!!^^
Of course it is:
It should NOT dominate your life though, ...

sorry for that mistake!!^^ It was a silly one!!(-_-); emoticon

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10 months 2 weeks ago
Woa i never thoght so many people would make accounts on a site dedicated to anime wallpapers even though they hated anime so much.(you know what i mean)

In relation to what asuza said i guess they should call this cartoon paper.net

well despite everything asuza said i am a hardcore fan and if we knew each other you'd probably hate me more than anything, well at least i know doing those things really pisses people off but i mostly do those things to people that are criticizing my tastes (anime)etc.

Also for someone who hates obsessive anime fans so much you sure obsesses a lot about things you hate.

But somehow i can see where your coming from, and you must've been really pissed to write all that stuff down i don't do all those things but ill try to tone it down from know on.

Also the reason people usually say that anime and cartoons are different is because they are being criticized for watching cartoons,the defense is that anime is for more older people, I've been criticized for watching cartoons and i said that anime and cartoons were different and that i only watched anime. i mean is there any other situation where you would say there is a difference?

ps i know that the person who posted this didn't say this

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LOL!! I am a pretty hardcore anime fan myself. But I must say I agree with the essay or "rant" as it was termed. Some anime fans take it a bit overboard. LOL, I will admit that I get a bit irked when anime is termed cartoon, but it only since cartoon is so often associated with children.

These days though in american television, there are also adult cartoons, probably the most famous of them being Family Guy. I do however, in most cases find the the artwork to be more detailed than american cartoons, at least in the animes that I watch. For example if you compare Simpsons, or Bugs Bunny, or even Family Guy, etc... they don't emply as much detail or wide array of color. So I kind of stand by the idea that japanese anime has more to offer on that front.

But as for animation quality, like 3D effects and so forth, I am not entirely sure, but I hope the writer of the essay is aware that many of these so called non anime high quality animated movies or shows, have a HIGH likelyhood that there is a large number of japanese staff involved.

LOL.. sounds like I am defending myself, and really I don't care if anything I am pointing out is wrong, just what I myself have experienced. I am a hardcore anime fan, no.. not so much as to cosplay or to consider myself an expert on japanese culture whatsoever.

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10 months 5 days ago
I agree with 2-4 but no to 1

I dunno why though, but i really find it an insult every-goddamn-time some british guy (im from the UK) calls what i watch cartoon.

Its kinda like them = "west" know what i mean? If some random anime fan told me cartoon and anime are the same (example: Azusa) i DONT find it "as" insulting (in fact, between anime fan friends, we'd probably just laugh off the topic). Its just the whole thing about THEM (idiots who prejudge that anime and cartoon are the same IN EVERY ASPECT when they havent even watched anime) and anime...sigh i guess im not making much sense.

Well, i dunno why i myself find anime being called cartoon is insulting.

But that whole thing about Japan being a nation and them not "truly" accepting anyone from the outside, i already knew that. Thats why i never became the "harcore Japanese wanna be anime fan from the west" kinda guy cuz i DO keep some sense of reality to myself.

And one last thing...back to the anime = cartoon disagreement again.

Why do i watch anime? Lets see...entertainment? My Genre of Choice? DRAMA

Now, if anyone can kindly point a WEST CARTOON with GOOD DRAMA...then fine ill stand corrected. I mean sure...there are some "supposedly good cartoons" that "everyone likes here (UK)" like Simpsons, Futurama or w/e. Do they have drama? NO...which is why i HATE THEM

PS. Btw Soraxxx, WELL SAID!!

soraxxx
In relation to what asuza said i guess they should call this cartoon paper.net

Them lamers who agree with #1 should just gtfo from this website (or at least from my face) for eternity

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