What would happen if full strength Hollow Ichigo would fight against anybody like that old Capatain Commander or Aizen?

Maybe he would be even stronger than Byakuya...

Invincible

In the latest edition of the Bleach Manga, Aizen and his squad broke free

and... the Vizards appeared...

who in your opinion is stronger? The Shinigami Squad or the Vizard squad?

I mean, Ichigo trained under the Vizard squad for quite a while learning how to control and maintain his Vizard powers which he obviously hasn't mastered completely. Can those Vizards help Ichigo to become stronger and teach him how to surpress his strongest hollow form?

Will Ichigo continue to train under the Vizards squad?

Who is the strongest ?

aizen

Ok, this post was bad ass late, but I think that his will to protect has gotten so much stronger (because someone actually begged him to protect them), that that new strength has changed him. Notice that his origional hollow didn't look all that human, but this new hollow looks very much more human. According to bleach, the more human a hollow looks, the more powerful he is.

Well we don really know either

FourthEspada

Ok, this post was bad ass late, but I think that his will to protect has gotten so much stronger (because someone actually begged him to protect them), that that new strength has changed him. Notice that his origional hollow didn't look all that human, but this new hollow looks very much more human. According to bleach, the more human a hollow looks, the more powerful he is.

Take the Vizards who are a mixture of former Shinigami and Hollow thanks to Aizen's secret plot. It will backfire to Aizen's squad because the Vizards under the leadership of Hirako have probably trained and developed their skills and fighting abilities to a very high level. Not only have they probably increased their skills, but also their control over their Hollow form and combining it in harmony with their Shinigami powers, something that Ichigo still lacks as you could witnessed yet again in his latest encounter with Ulquiorra. Ichigo has a long way to go to bring his hidden Shingami and Hollow powers into balance and harmony in order to become the Ultimate indestructable Power!

Maxi-Ryu99

Take the Vizards who are a mixture of former Shinigami and Hollow thanks to Aizen's secret plot. It will backfire to Aizen's squad because the Vizards under the leadership of Hirako have probably trained and developed their skills and fighting abilities to a very high level. Not only have they probably increased their skills, but also their control over their Hollow form and combining it in harmony with their Shinigami powers, something that Ichigo still lacks as you could witnessed yet again in his latest encounter with Ulquiorra. Ichigo has a long way to go to bring his hidden Shingami and Hollow powers into balance and harmony in order to become the Ultimate indestructable Power!

are you implying that the Vaizards learned a different form of "ressureccion" as well other than performing "bankai"? because Ichigo can utilized his hollow powers in his "bankai". how do you see it anyway in Ichigo's case? do you think that he just utilized the full capacity of his hollow side? Vaizards have just increased their power level since from Shinigami based, they managed to acquire hollow powers. but not all Vaizards can last long under their mask and who knows what stressed they'd take by doing so. Shinigami and hollow powers are still both in "spiritual strength" and the characteristics are not at all different from each other. so it doesn't matter if you have Shinigami/Vaizards/Arrancar spiritual force, it's still bends of how much capacity you have from the start. Vaizards have increased theirs from Shinigami level. Ichigo was shown to reach farther than that when he was able to unleash his third "unknown" state. there's still a lot to be disclosed here anyway.

elleztim

are you implying that the Vaizards learned a different form of "ressureccion" as well other than performing "bankai"?

I'm not sure, but, all I know is that the Vizards didn't sit on their lazy asses, spinning their thumbs in a twirl and do nothing. They look very well prepared from what I see in the current Manga Volumes. I think that they definately have something up their sleeves. Whatever it maybe we will have to wait and see...

elleztim

because Ichigo can utilized his hollow powers in his "bankai". how do you see it anyway in Ichigo's case?do you think that he just utilized the full capacity of his hollow side?

Not sure about that, too... But all you could witness was that he is a freakish Hollowing Berserker, not able to controll his evil Spirit (his inner hollow), devouring everything and everyone that stands in his way. I bet even the Captain commander or High Ranking Shinigami like Byakuya would have a hard time to contain Ichigo's strongest Hollow form, they would be forced and willing to kill him... Which is why I say, Ichigo has a long way to go in order to control his own Hollow and become stronger in a more human way.

elleztim

Vaizards have just increased their power level since from Shinigami based, they managed to acquire hollow powers. but not all Vaizards can last long under their mask and who knows what stressed they'd take by doing so.

Yes, but every Vaizards have better control over their hollow spirits and therefore can last longer under their Masks than Ichigo. I mean, Ichigo was their student and was drilled and pushed around by them, especially by that little Brat ( I cannot remember her name now)... Ichigo was just at the early beginnings to attain Vizard Powers, and then suddenly he had to get the move to Hueco Mundo along with his friends and rescue Orihime from Aizen Sama,... How do you expect him to become a Master of his Hollow form in that short period of training that he had with the Vizards?

That is what makes the story interesting to follow...

elleztim

Shinigami and hollow powers are still both in "spiritual strength" and the characteristics are not at all different from each other. so it doesn't matter if you have Shinigami/Vaizards/Arrancar spiritual force, it's still bends of how much capacity you have from the start. Vaizards have increased theirs from Shinigami level. Ichigo was shown to reach farther than that when he was able to unleash his third "unknown" state. there's still a lot to be disclosed here anyway.

The only person who could defeat hollow-fied Ichigowould be Aizen himself...

Back to the current Manga Arc... I think as a conclusion that the Vizards have trained a lot and have become stronger to face their ultimate enemy Aizen and his squad. They have an old score to settle and are ready for battle...

Yeah, there's still a lot of questions regarding the true nature of Vaizards and Ichigo's power, or even his potential. it seems that Shinigami, Vaizards and Arrancar doesn't go far from each other and it's kinda confusing because there is no clear dividing line except their appearances both in physical and spiritual form.

on the other hand, what i'm still worried about is that are we looking at the real battle right now or Aizen again made a complete illusion. let us remember, Aizen isn't the usual villain here, he's far more different than any antagonist i've seen in anime. his planning is quite extensive and his powers aren't that much but very cunning.

seeing that Urihara Kisuke hasn't made an entrance yet is a little bend of hope. but this is quite interesting indeed.

You have point... aizen is decptive... but i think at this point the vizards can tell the diference between real and aizen's illusions...

Maxi-Ryu 99

I think as a conclusion that the Vizards have trained a lot and have become stronger to face their ultimate enemy Aizen and his squad. They have an old score to settle and are ready for battle...

so for urahara... im sure he appears in the most unexpected moment...

It seems that the mullet is the most powerful haircut in the world
i'm sure you all remember dbz...

Paola

You have point... aizen is decptive... but i think at this point the vizards can tell the diference between real and aizen's illusions...

Maxi-Ryu99

I think as a conclusion that the Vizards have trained a lot and have become stronger to face their ultimate enemy Aizen and his squad. They have an old score to settle and are ready for battle...

so for urahara... im sure he appears in the most unexpected moment...

Could be, he too would have a reason to take revenge on Aizen and his squad. And maybe out of the Blue will appear Ichigo's father who, if you all remember, was a Shinigami, too. I guess Ichigo is not aware of his father's whole past, is he? He must have inherited the Shinigami Blood from his father, or otherwise he wouldn't have these abilities to see ghosts (before he became a Shinigami) and develop himself to a Substitute Shinigami when he met Rukia for the first time.

So because of Ichigo's father's past, I assume that Ichigo is half Shinigami, half Human (from his mother's genes), and his Human side isn't able to control his dark side, as we all know as "the beserk Hollow", because Hollow reiatsus can take easy control over a Human part of the body (now that I think about it)

While the Vizards are in better control of their minds and bodies, ichigo still has to struggle to balance both of them because he didn't even complete his training as I mentioned before...

But one thing was advantageous about Ichigo's berserker qualities:

Without them he wouldn't have defeated Ulquirra, saved Orihime and prior to that regenerated his torn apart body. He would have been dead for good. I mean with a hole in your body, you would be mouse-dead... In short, his Berserker Hollow form has enabled him to regenerate and live longer than he should have after those fatal wounds near the brink of death...

Maxi-Ryu99

Take the Vizards who are a mixture of former Shinigami and Hollow thanks to Aizen's secret plot. It will backfire to Aizen's squad because the Vizards under the leadership of Hirako have probably trained and developed their skills and fighting abilities to a very high level. Not only have they probably increased their skills, but also their control over their Hollow form and combining it in harmony with their Shinigami powers, something that Ichigo still lacks as you could witnessed yet again in his latest encounter with Ulquiorra. Ichigo has a long way to go to bring his hidden Shingami and Hollow powers into balance and harmony in order to become the Ultimate indestructable Power!

In one of the last chapters, we just saw that Keisei's and Rose's masks only lasts less than a minute. Apparently, they're not as amazing as we originally thought.

I really hate this... I can't stand long hair boys, but now my fave char is in it! oh god, I began to lost my feel against him...