Can't say that I hate Susaku, but I got annoyed of him after the first season.

In the beginning it was cute out Susaku and Lelouch were best friends and now they have to fight each other, but after a while feels like the formula disappears. Lelouch develops his character, I think, you could see him mature here and there after facing loses. However, Susaku, just seemed to stay where he was in season one. You only see hate and hate from him, so it's annoying. Susaku would be much more popular if he could comes to terms with losing people.

Well, hatred, annoyed, that's the point i wanted to underline, Lulu and any other characters often gave reasons for the audience to feel annoy or upset, but i noticed, in all these characters that needed to be despite, everything or most of it went on susaku, which seems weird and still does, but many in this thread acknowledge that Susaku and Lelouch were both unique characters in their own aspects and that they were able to appreciate both of them as they should have instead of hating one side, don't get me wrong but, when something isn't black, it doesn't mean it must be white, when watching an anime, the best isn't from siding to one side, but understanding both, unless the manga-ka really wanted one to hate one side in particular

I think the reason why Suzaku was hated as he is was because he shows us the fallibility of humans. The reflection of ourselves.

Anyone would hate to have their flaws pointed out, despite whether its true or not. In Suzaku we see ourselves, we saw how he struggles to uphold moral order to change a corrupt system. Sure we don't try to change a corrupt system (maybe some do), but we are still living in a world where doing the right thing is still the hardest thing to do. The many times he fails to do so when he was after Zero in vengeance for the death of the woman he loves, betraying his closest friend to the Emperor, almost drugging Kallen to find out the truth about Zero's return, firing FLEIA (not completely voluntary i might add), and any other possible others that I haven't remembered. In the end he still succumbed to do almost the exact same thing as Zero, where the end justifies the means. As long as his wish of creating a better world was accomplished he was even able to come up with assassinating Emperor Charles. Thus our ideal hero fails and still gets to live on to change the world, while Lelouch was

dkoor

In the end he still succumbed to do almost the exact same thing as Zero, where the end justifies the means.

i really liked your point about the hatred towards Susaku being due to him being the symbol of human flaws, it's really true when I think, Lelouch got power, while him, he's just a normal guy who tried to change things by making use of his own piloting skills, and becomes cold toward his best friend due to him kill Euphie, and for both, the end did justify the mean, it always felt like for death note, as if people were just chess pieces on a huge chess table called life.

Maverickslayer

why do everyone hate Susaku?

Except of that Lelouch lovers issue, I believe there are also other reasons why people hate Suzaku. I point out my personal reasons why "I could hate him", but I do not.

1. Suzaku has betrayed Lelouch's trust. Although Suzaku sells him to the emperor, Lelouch still thinks of Suzaku as friend. However, Suzaku did not even think to forgive him at first.

2. Zero has saved his life, but Suzaku refuses to join force with him, because he thinks that Zero uses the wrong methods. Then suddenly he says in R2 that not the methods, but the results are important.

Kaia-Chan

1. Suzaku has betrayed Lelouch's trust. Although Suzaku sells him to the emperor, Lelouch still thinks of Suzaku as friend. However, Suzaku did not even think to forgive him at first.

I can easily understand a man whom love was just killed.

Kaia-Chan

2. Zero has saved his life, but Suzaku refuses to join force with him, because he thinks that Zero uses the wrong methods. Then suddenly he says in R2 that not the methods, but the results are important.

I don't think Suzaku totally agreed to his own terms when he said that. Remember the time when he wanted to use the "Refrain" on Kallen. He couldn't. I just think he said that because he was on his bestfriend side again =).

Kaia-Chan

2. Zero has saved his life, but Suzaku refuses to join force with him, because he thinks that Zero uses the wrong methods. Then suddenly he says in R2 that not the methods, but the results are important.

lol I think that's just Sunrise's fault, probably a resulting story development from their "Geass-not-as-planned" mess.

Well I think every character has flaws, it makes them more believable

And the fan service isn't that bad compared to other show's,
most of it is only lasting at 5 seconds tops compared to half an episode

I can't say anything else than agree with Will's reply, your points are really clear and straight, plus the 2 things you underlined are true, he lost his one and only love, how would any man react if he found that it's due to his best friend's fault, it's one of many illogical reasons for hating susaku, 2nd, about his perception of things, it's like Will said, someone can't stay the same after getting power, it's obvious that from where he stands in R2, results will be more important, when you have no power, you don't lower yourself to use low methods, but when you own power, there's no way you can lower yourself to a level, as power itself is a proof of supremacy, so obviously, results counts more, as your span of methods to tackle problems is not the same as when you're powerless

I really do not hate him for that desire to Lelouch was dying, but for the moment when I fell very badly. the wise well that his death was necessary to revive Brittania.

Suzaku had good intentions, but kinda messed up, he's not that different from Lelouch in the end, and I love Lelouch, so I couldn't hate Suzaku. I'm not too fond of what he became towards the end of the series in comparison to what he once was.

I hated suzaku until the final episode when he finally seems redeemed in my eyes. Living a life as a symbol without any care about your own happiness seems like a fitting end for him.

I too hated Suzaku until the very end. Now I think he is the second hero of the show and made it possible for Lelouch to conclude everything.

Will

I can easily understand a man whom love was just killed.

It is, but it is still a reason why people could hate him.

Will

I don't think Suzaku totally agreed to his own terms when he said that. Remember the time when he wanted to use the "Refrain" on Kallen. He couldn't. I just think he said that because he was on his bestfriend side again =).

However, he has not taken it back till the very end. So, I am positive that it was a sincere and honest decision of him.

Darklink13T

lol I think that's just Sunrise's fault, probably a resulting story development from their "Geass-not-as-planned" mess.

This would be a good explanation.

I don't really hate Suzaku but he's not my favorite either...in my opinion he started out as a straight honest character in the 1st season, doing what he believes is right until Lelouch killed Euphy. Then everything begin to change, even more so when he finally agreed to work with Lelouch in Zero Requiem. I don't hate him for killing Lelouch though, in fact I don't think he could have done it if he's not a good friend. All in all, every character seemed to have sacrificed something in return for the things they want. Whether they ended up happy, that's another question.