Shinyjam

She's a damn good actor.

However, there was no need to act. She was alone in the church when she prayed. Whom did she intend to deceive?

Shinyjam

Lelouch master plan to trick everyone to think he's death, is for the best. Then retire with C.C. into the country side where no one will ever find them if lucky.

This would only explain why Suzaku did, but not Nunnally.
She was able to read his heart and his thought. If he had not intended to die, she would have known it.

However, there was no need to act. She was alone in the church when she prayed. Whom did she intend to deceive?

No sure about this but, can't she just pray when she's in a church? If she try to deceive then she just have to act it all the way like a proffessional actor, some government official might be trailing her. Everyone must be deceive!

This would only explain why Suzaku did, but not Nunnally.
She was able to read his heart and his thought. If he had not intended to die, she would have known it.

If she can read his thought, she won't join Schneizel and declare him as the enemy and all the way to the point Lelouch took her key and she just keep hating him, and for the ability to heard the heart, there is drug that temporary stop it.

Lelouch is not dead, why? Just read wat i found:
Here's what's written on the link (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080928164917AAwZRRo):

"My take is that Lelouch is alive.

The most obvious reason would be CC calling to Lelouch in the closing scene of the episode. As we can assume CC to be still sane, she must be talking to someone, and that someone would most probably be the driver of the cart: Lelouch would have to be alive.

Second, however, and this is where the others have thought things through, Lelouch is alive because he got his dad’s code. He beckoned the World of C to lend him its powers, and he took Charles’s code before Charles passed on. The reason why Lelouch still has his Geass is because he didn’t take the Code from the same person who gave him his Geass: he took his Geass from CC, and he took his Code from Charles. Thus, he now possesses both immortality and a Geass. This is also a reason that the title is Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion.

To further corroborate this, however, remember that when Nunnally held Lelouch’s hand he transferred his memories to her. CC also did it when Lelouch touched her accidentally back then, so it could be assumed that people with Codes are indeliberate telepaths. This leaves us with both immortals traversing the world for the rest of eternity.

It’s a great end, friends. :)

P.S. Ending line of CC translated by bibi: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”

P.P.S. Additional evidence, courtesy of `Nergal and 4chan:

1. Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.
2. Lelouch needed the fully evolved Geass to transfer a code.
3. The code doesn’t appear to activate until someone dies. Hence, why C.C. was wounded when she first inherited her code. Same happened with Charles in the World of C.
4. When Lelouch touched Nunnally, Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.
6. When C.C. is talking on the wagon, she says “the power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver.

P.P.P.S More evidence, courtesy of an intelligent anon from 4chan:

Orange knew of Lelouche’s and Suzaku’s plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.

Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and thats if he knew about Lelouche’s immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouche would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.

Even at the end, we see Orange on his orange plantation, completely content with the way things have panned out, he definitely could not be that happy had Lelouche actually died.

There it is, firm evidence of Lelouche’s immortality if the scene with C.C. and the cart driver wasn’t painfully obvious enough.

Shinyjam

No sure about this but, can't she just pray when she's in a church? If she try to deceive then she just have to act it all the way like a proffessional actor, some government official might be trailing her. Everyone must be deceive!

However, this Britannia officer would be under the influence of Geass. Consequently, he would have no idea what she were doing.

Shinyjam

If she can read his thought, she won't join Schneizel and declare him as the enemy and all the way to the point Lelouch took her key and she just keep hating him, and for the ability to heard the heart, there is drug that temporary stop it.

I cannot recall a scene when Nunnally has touched Schneizel's hands though...

ashia200265

Lelouch is not dead, why? Just read wat i found:
Here's what's written on the link (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080928164917AAwZRRo)

Your opinion is still not a proof. The website link you have given us is not an official site of sunrise, but the opinion of a person.
We have discussed through each of the mentioned points and decided that everyone has to interpret the end for themselves. If you do not believe me, then you will when you re-read all the old posts.
Thank you.

In addition to that, the topic title is "Code Geass Season 2 ending" and not "Lelouch - Dead or Alive?".

Well I must agree with Kaia-Chan BUT as said earlier he is dead as a stone, as the write of Code Geass said that. So until proven otherwise I think thats the real deal..

In addition to that, the topic title is "Code Geass Season 2 ending" and not "Lelouch - Dead or Alive?".

Is still on topic either way, this topic would been pretty dead without some ending theory discussion.

Well the ending aint a bug topic, I don't know if this thread was ment to be a Discussion Thread, and not just a place where you would state your opinion.

Doomvoodooo

Well I must agree with Kaia-Chan BUT as said earlier he is dead as a stone, as the write of Code Geass said that. So until proven otherwise I think thats the real deal..

At least one person is listening to me...

Shinyjam

Is still on topic either way, this topic would been pretty dead without some ending theory discussion.

It is ONE part of the topics. However, if you look up the last pages, you will notice that we have ONLY discuss if Lelouch is dead or alive.

Doomvoodooo

Well the ending aint a bug topic, I don't know if this thread was ment to be a Discussion Thread, and not just a place where you would state your opinion.

If that is the case, then why do I reply to each post?!

Change of topic, plese? If we only on the "Lelouch - Dead or Alive?' sect, we will never go on as Lelouch had wished to.

Here's something to talk about:

Lots of people said that CG's like an alternative version of the World War II. Why don't we look for the similarities and differences then between CG and the real WW2?

Lulu is dead. There's no way they're gonna drag this out even longer by having lulu alive and cause another problem

I recently finished watching R2 and I have to say I was in total awe of how brilliantly the show ended. I'm not sure another season would do the series justice but I'd like one anyways. As I got to the last few episodes, I just kept thinking "Holy crap, this anime is so awesome, I don't want it to end". I have to say that the last few episodes felt a bit rushed and it ended too quickly but the ending itself was just wow...I didn't see it coming at all and it was just emotionally overwhelming.

Everything just made so much sense and it was just a tragedy that it had to end exactly that way. Seeing Nunnally in such anguish just made it so sad. Lelouch didn't have to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the world and to create a positive and peaceful world for Nunnally, but he did and that's what made it so touching. There could've been an alternative path to the one he chose but he did what he did just for his little sister.

The death of Lelouch came as no surprise, ever since episode 13 when Shirley died. However, the writers have never resolved Milly’s feelings for Lelouch in any way, in my opinion. But once his Zero identity was exposed to his enemies, he could never go back to his old life at Ashford Academy. As a result, he had to create a plan B, which was Zero’s Requiem. This way, he makes the world believe that he is a villain so that the fake Zero would be a hero for peace. He fulfilled his goal of making Suzaku Nunnally’s Knight and redeeming Euphemia’s name. I guess ever since Euphemia died, he wanted to atone for that sin. As much as I would have wanted a Milly x Lelouch relationship, you guys were right by saying that it was very unlikely given the direction that the series was going. And I used to believe that neither C.C. or Kallen was Lelouch’s love interest, and felt that the only reason why Shirley and Lelouch was paired was because she made it known to him. Milly never got a chance to do so. Thus we’ll never know how it might have turned out between them. Earlier in the show, I thought that one of the most likeliest endings for Kallen was for her to be reunited with her mother and living together. That prediction came true. I also suspected that a Kallen x Gino relationship might have been the best possible outcome, even though most were against it. The only option that I figured that was likely to end the speculation of Lelouch’s possible love interest was his own death, which had became a reality.

One thing was for certain. Since Charles became an immortal and disappeared, Lelouch had no other choice but to become Emperor before anyone else had a chance to do so. This way, he could unite the world against him, in order to end the old Britannia, once and for all. So Zero’s Requiem was planned between him and Suzaku. Suzaku sees the new world, but he can’t enjoy it, while Lelouch dies to join Shirley and Euphemia. So Suzaku is on the losing end of the stick. Lelouch will certainly go down in history as the most unpopular Emperor of all time, thus making Euphemia’s massacre a forgotten memory. But I guess that was the only option that he had to work with. At least, he gave C.C. a reason to live again. To think that Charles plan would have worked had he not treated Lelouch in a emotionless manner following Marianne’s death. V.V. jealousy for Marianne x Charles happiness was his eventual undoing because the cursed Prince (Lelouch) was realized. And the old Britannia is no more. Overall, the last episode, where everyone is happy is too superficial. They seemed to believe that Lelouch was far worse than any other Emperor in history. Not to mention that they might still be a greater evil on the horizen. So, I guess that they will never be a fanservice for Milly Ashford. The writers probably forgotten about her after Turn 12. And seeing that the last 13 episodes was nothing but plot development, like a loaded hand gun waiting to be discharged, Lelouch would be the one to take the bullet. And he did.

I thought that Code Geass would be one of those rare series that would turn out to be amazing. At least the 1st season was. The second half of the R2 was a very typical of most of the animes that I have seen where the main character dies and important matters are unresolved. Sometimes, I wish that I had never seen Code Geass to begin with because whenever I start to like the series, it always ends with the character’s death. Just like the Death Note and Cowboy Bebop. So predictable of Sunrise. Sorry for the long rant. The only reason why I posted was because I was dying to see how things might have turned out between Milly x Lelouch and it never happened.

When I first which it i was at first, but when i got really into and the nexts thing you know the main characters starts to died. Now thats dump.

Code Geass R2 will be a failure in my eyes. It went so well up until episode twenty onwards, where things just went out of character. Like many others, I also thought that this episode would make or break the series, foolishly hoping it would somehow turn out well, but it didn’t. First off, doesn’t make any sense at all that Lelouch would have fought so hard, sacrificed so many things to get where he was, only to simply die in the end? A brilliant tactician he was, yet the creators just decide to off him and make a lame “happy” ending.

Secondly, Lelouch fought against Britannia in the beginning so that he could avenge Nunnally and himself, for how foolish the Britannia family was, which was what the show was really about, showing Lelouch gather forces to fight against Charles and the entire Britannian empire, but suddenly he becomes the most hated guy just because the Black Knights decided he was geassing them the whole time, thus forgetting their entire anger and frustration on how Charles enslaved the Japanese people, even degrading them by giving them the name Elevens? The series stopped making sense a long time ago, such a shame it will never be as good as it wanted to be. A good example on how an anime series whose creators thought since the first season did so well, no matter what would happen to the second season, they would continue to profit and expect people to just accept whatever crap endings they produced.

I thought that Lelouch death did a lot of things (but I'm really hoping that he really isn't dead and is in a far off place living happily with C.C.). For starters it made Zero into a world-wide famous hero, who ended the rule of “Kaligula”. The world-wide influence and acceptance. For second he has shown the world the horrors of monarchy and made everyone forget the massacre of Princess Euphie and previous bad things by doing even worse. For third he made sure that Schneizel would follow Suzaku’s orders (”Follow Zero’s orders” command last episode). Suzaku/Zero got a tactician worthy of Lelouch in his command now. For fourth he made sure that the world would see Nunnally, Schneizel and Suzaku as martyrs for the tyranny named monarchy. Victims who would be accepted as the ones who really want to change it. So yeah, Lelouch’s death did a lot of good things. Starting the real way of peace and the true death of Britannia’s tyranny. Another thing that I don’t understand is why some people think that Code transfer means death or memory loss. The nun was crazy and killed herself after she transferred her code. V.V. was injured from the battle and died. Code transfer doesn’t mean death. Next memory loss. C.C. sealed her code away and she lost all her memory to the point where she got the geass. If code transfer means memory loss, then the nun had to kill herself before she got the code.

More importantly, V.V. could not remember Marianne or CC. Next to activate the code, you have to die. This is a nice theory, the geass first worked on Charles and when he shot himself, his Code activated. C.C. was wounded after she transferred her code. The only problem here is V.V., the source of his Code or Geass is unknown. Code transfer also does not require contact. The nun and C.C. we’re apart and so were Charles and V.V. So Lelouch has some chances of survival, the transfer and C.C. still having her memories works, but the question is, did he know how everything works exactly?