Well,Yuri-sama does have a point. Lelouch being dead=contract failed(again)
And it doesn't seem like C.C going to go round giving Geass to people like before (she loves Lelouch and if she really meant it, she should stop giving Geass to prevent something like the old Britannia ever happening again)

nychi002

Depending on the region CC was traveling in that could be typical garb for a peasant worker. Maybe the driver simply wanted to keep the sun out of his eyes. To add realism to a show you have to make the characters look the part. If people from a particular region of the world normally drive when their faces covered to block out the sun then you should draw them as such. But hey if You want to believe Loulech is alive won't stop you.

Some people believe that the region C.C is at either Dutch or German (can anyone tell what she was wearing? It seems like a traditional dress) Perhaps someone can tell the behavior of farmers and merchants in the countryside there. We might crack something up.

nychi002

I saw Jeremiah's smirk as "My master's plan went off without a hitch" After all Loulech did in fact plan his own death. That's not something you can do very easily while deceiving a lot of people.

Then Lelouch had proved himself as a great director of deceit. Outsmarting the world again, eh? How come there's no one from the Drama Club ever tried to recruit him during his time at Ashford?

nychi002

At the time more people were concerned with the fact that "Hey here's Zero, a man reported to be dead by the Black Knights. What's he doing here?" than to notice that Loulech was smiling. Plus they were standing several meters away. It's pretty hard to see if someone's smiling without a close up if all you can make out is his head. AS for Loulech's hand, when he touched Suzaku's mask his hand was cover by the collar of the cape. Only those looking from the right angle would have caught it and that's only if they were not too distracted with the fact that "Hey, the Emperor's just been slain".

I can't argue at that point. Guess they are also in the Plan Book, eh?


Well, aside from the Nunnally, Zerozaku, Sayoko, Llyod, Cecille, Nina (suppose to know) and the Black Knights (I would call them eternal idiots if they didn't realise Lelouch's scheme, especially Xingke), do you think there's anyone else who see through Lelouch's drama? Cornelia doesn't seem to see through it.

I also do not believe that Lelouch is still alive.
He was stabbed in his most important organs and died while Nunally hold his hands. I really can not imagine that Nunally can not judge from a living body from a corpse.
I am in agreement with the other members who point out the fact that C.C. has cried before the execution of Lelouch's plan to die. In addition to that, C.C. used to be a fatal key to that Ragnarok which is a connection to the thoughts of the deceased and living people. So, it is possible that she has really spoke with Lelouch like some other people said before me.

chinaman91

Note that Lelouch doesnt want to use geass on Nunally. Why did he do it?

He did not wanted to use on Nunally, because he still saw in her the defenseless and fragile child. However, after Nunally's statement, he realized that she can go on without him in the future. So, he has lost all of his doubts and regrets which made him possible to use Geass on her.

Yangbo

Based on the past deeds of Lelouch, even though he is trying to rebuilt the world would you think he actually made a plan to sacrifice himself in the end?

Yes, I think so. He had planned to die from the very beginning in the first episode of R2. After Urabe's death Lelouch said: "If everything is over, i will...". So, you have think that he has planned to die from the very beginning. Except of completing his "Zero Requiem" he saw that death as the only atonement for casting Geass on other people and using them as his puppets.

gtaking

And also at the end C.C. asked him "The power of kings, known as Geass, brings one solitude. Not quite accurate, is it?" meaning that not all the Geass users become lonely. If Lelouch was dead, what did she mean? Isn't death one type of solitude?

Literally translated, C.C. said: It was a little bit wrong, wasn't it? Lelouch?
In other words, she meant: He would live a life in solitude without any connections with other people and always being misunderstood. however, there were people who understood him like Suzaku, Nunally in the end and even Kallen! So, it is not really like he has died a lonely death.

ROLililala1618

Then why wouldn't they bother to show the cart driver's face?

I agree with nychi002. It is really the way how people wear in that region and during that hot season. In addition to that, it shows how unimportant that person is compared to C.C.

-YuriSama-

Aren't we forgetting something important? Lelouch made a promise to CC, the promise to let her have a smile on her face at the time of her death. I don't think Lelouch would just ignore that.

C.C. wish was originally to die. However, it was a mere promise of Lelouch from his own accord. In addition to that, C.C.'s wish to die cannot be fulfilled as long as she is immortal. Besides, if C.C. really can talk to the deceased people, then it is still possible for Lelouch to fulfill his promise.

ROLililala1618

Well,Yuri-sama does have a point. Lelouch being dead=contract failed(again) And it doesn't seem like C.C going to go round giving Geass to people like before (she loves Lelouch and if she really meant it, she should stop giving Geass to prevent something like the old Britannia ever happening again)

Well, actually we already got an example. She has given Mao also a Geass, but left him, because he could not fulfill her wish.

ROLililala1618

Some people believe that the region C.C is at either Dutch or German (can anyone tell what she was wearing? It seems like a traditional dress) Perhaps someone can tell the behavior of farmers and merchants in the countryside there. We might crack something up.

I believe it is a region between Vienna and Czech Republic, because the traditional clothing there is similiar with those which C.C. wore.

I heard that the very reason why C.C dumped Mao because he has to kill her in order to inhert her code. Based on the killed-then-ressurect theory or not, C.C would have to die in the process and she knew that Mao would never want to do it. (Everyone here knows how obssessed he was to C.C, right?)

And I'm glad she dumped him, otherwise, we're going to have one immortal madman running around.

There is indeed a lot of speculation whether lelouch is alive or dead but does it really matter? all the people dear for him had either died or hate him now, i think is best for the guy to rest. btw i heard that tomorrow there will be an extra episode. I wonder what will it be about...

You know anyone can consider Lelouch to be alive and dead at the same time
actually it's more important to me that CC is alive.
i have researched that so far a lot believe there is an upcoming R3 it means a 3rd rebellion is that possible in their time frame in just one month or so.
also an ova that might be possible it will take time if their is a plan for it, besides the manga or the original script matters most, if someone has the manga ending then there you go the actual ending and the clarification of Lelouch.

The manga lack of Knightmare. But whatever, there might be a more specific ending there...

Code Geass ending for me was a fitting end for a great series no one expected the way things wold turn out to be except of course with lulu dying in the end. Though I personally want to believe that lulu is still alive for a 3rd season But I think it is quite impossible

ROLililala1618

I heard that the very reason why C.C dumped Mao because he has to kill her in order to inhert her code. Based on the killed-then-ressurect theory or not, C.C would have to die in the process and she knew that Mao would never want to do it. (Everyone here knows how obssessed he was to C.C, right?)

Well, but the fact remains that she has given someone a Geass without receiving something in return. She has not known that Mao would not fulfill his part of the contract. It is exactly the same reason in Lelouch's case.

pipopaz

btw i heard that tomorrow there will be an extra episode. I wonder what will it be about...

That information is new for me. Then I am looking forward to the coming day.

Ishinsai

i have researched that so far a lot believe there is an upcoming R3 it means a 3rd rebellion is that possible in their time frame in just one month or so.

That are nice information and I wish that it is true. However, I will only be convinced after an official announcement of a 3rd season.

Fr3edom28

Though I personally want to believe that lulu is still alive for a 3rd season But I think it is quite impossible

I am not positive that he has really survived. However, it would be great if they revive Lelouch from the dead again.

Kaia-Chan

Well, but the fact remains that she has given someone a Geass without receiving something in return. She has not known that Mao would not fulfill his part of the contract. It is exactly the same reason in Lelouch's case.

So ?

Will

So ?

This is the reason why C.C. would let Lelouch die what she has tried to refrain in the first season. So, my opinion that Lelouch has died will not change with the sole reason that C.C. would not allow his death.

LET LELOUCH REST IN PEACE!

I share the opinion of those who said that Lelouch's sacrifice was the only expression of his heroism. If he survived -and did it by purpose- then he is as despicable as he has been in the whole series, and that would be a terrible ending for a protagonist.

I believe Jeremiah Gotwald knew about Lelocuh's plans, so he helped acting in the scene where Zero kills the emperor. For the same reason he wasn't sad after Lelouch's dead, because he knew about Zero Requiem and he agreed with that.

And what about Susaku? why he was crying when he killed Lelouch if he knew he would going to survive? Or perhaps you will tell me that Lelouch hide his plan to his best friend? If that were true, Lelouch vi Brittania will be Machiavelli in person.

No matter how far we discuss this, we'll never know the truth... let's wait for an OVA

Gvnkwyr

No matter how far we discuss this, we'll never know the truth... let's wait for an OVA

I agree with you. However, it is a lot of fun to share our thoughts and to try to convince that the other's opinion may be wrong.

This ending is a open door for fanfics of all art

Another possibility for all to consider. maybe lelouch didn't know he was going to live. charles grabbed lelouch on the neck before he died. charle's code might have latched on to him and therefore made him immortal. before you all say " he still had geass, ther's no way he could have a code!" here's another idea. when C.C. recieved her code she obtained a nasty scar over her left breast over her heart. perhaps the code is first activated when you die? C.C. recieved her code, was killed shortly thereafter, and woke up from death an immortal. that is one conclusion that could be drawn from the series of events. C.C. and lelouch might have overlooked charles' code and both thought lelouch would die. i think lelouch went there intending to die. so if lelouch realized he wasn't dead, he would have left and snuck away. people including suzaku would think his body removed by C.C. to prevent desecration. this would explain C.C.'s tears and lelouch being alive. besides, sunrise seems to not like killing their good guys above all odds. (case in point: mu la flaga, nunnaly, gilford...etc) this is one possible method for lelouch's survival.

kagetasan

Another possibility for all to consider. maybe lelouch didn't know he was going to live. charles grabbed lelouch on the neck before he died. charle's code might have latched on to him and therefore made him immortal. before you all say " he still had geass, ther's no way he could have a code!" here's another idea. when C.C. recieved her code she obtained a nasty scar over her left breast over her heart. perhaps the code is first activated when you die? C.C. recieved her code, was killed shortly thereafter, and woke up from death an immortal. that is one conclusion that could be drawn from the series of events. C.C. and lelouch might have overlooked charles' code and both thought lelouch would die. i think lelouch went there intending to die. so if lelouch realized he wasn't dead, he would have left and snuck away. people including suzaku would think his body removed by C.C. to prevent desecration. this would explain C.C.'s tears and lelouch being alive. besides, sunrise seems to not like killing their good guys above all odds. (case in point: mu la flaga, nunnaly, gilford...etc) this is one possible method for lelouch's survival.

I agree that this is a plausible explanation. However, I still have a counter argument. When Charles tried to adopt C.C.'s code there was a bright light. However, there was no light while Charles held Lelouch's neck. In addition to that, why should Charles give his code to Lelouch, who has ruined his plans?
Besides my comment, I believe that your reason is very well explained and my opinion about Lelouch's death has been soften.