Which side would you choose/ fight for?
1 year 5 months ago
Aheh... I personally don't agree with Lelouch way. I don't think you can achieve anything with more bloodshed. I especially don't like what became of Lelouch at the end of the anime. I prefer Suzaku's way. So I'll fight alongside him and try to save japan without more bloodshed.
Suzuaku wants bloodshed... He wants Zero dead...
Haha well then I guess you and me are going to be enemies, because I'd choose to fight with Leouch. Since Zero formed the Order of the Black Knights, there has been significant (positive) changes to Area 11 and they now have a fighting chance against the "evil" Brittanian empire and win back what was originally theirs.
Yes, their way does involve bloodshed, but only when it is forced upon them. They only kill when the HAVE TO. The Brittanian's (Suzaku's side) are the ones killing thousands of Japanese in the ghettos for no reason, while The Order of the Black Knights are trying to save all of them. Suzaku hasn't saved very many people, besides the Brittanian forces that were gonna get there asses kicked by Zero. He really just slows Zero and his Knights down.
So there isnt really a way to save japan with out bloodshed. Suzaku fights for Britannia, but Britannia is evil. Zero fights for Japan, but to win he must destroy the Britannian empire.
"Zero! Zero! Zero! Zero! Zero!"
Haha well then I guess you and me are going to be enemies, because I'd choose to fight with Leouch. Since Zero formed the Order of the Black Knights, there has been significant (positive) changes to Area 11 and they now have a fighting chance against the "evil" Brittanian empire and win back what was originally theirs.
Yes, their way does involve bloodshed, but only when it is forced upon them. They only kill when the HAVE TO. The Brittanian's (Suzaku's side) are the ones killing thousands of Japanese in the ghettos for no reason, while The Order of the Black Knights are trying to save all of them. Suzaku hasn't saved very many people, besides the Brittanian forces that were gonna get there asses kicked by Zero. He really just slows Zero and his Knights down.
So there isnt really a way to save japan with out bloodshed. Suzaku fights for Britannia, but Britannia is evil. Zero fights for Japan, but to win he must destroy the Britannian empire.
"Zero! Zero! Zero! Zero! Zero!"
#633927 Quote Report Edited by ~Darklink13T 1 year 5 months ago
I don't think there really is a good or bad way. But if were going for a more realistic and direct approach to the problem, i would go with lulus approach since its the most effective in that situation which on the other hand you got suzaku way which is more naive.
I personally fight with Lulu (Zero) because I can understand his feelings and his hatred... I think that he's right, but is the same for Suzaku, at the end, he just want to avenge all the people that Zero killed, and in particular the poor Euphie... ._.
Anyway, I think that I will always stay by Lulu's side!
Anyway, I think that I will always stay by Lulu's side!

Same here. What happened to Suzaku when Euphie was killed by Lulu? He said it to himself: hatred is consuming him. The same thing, he will kill Lelouch. He keeps on saying that Zero's ideals and methods are wrong and he's there to stop it but he didn't notice that he's also doing the same thing. The only difference (I think) is the number of casualties on both sides.
Personally, I would have to say I'd join Zero's side. The Brittanian Empire is a corrupt monarchy that plans to control the world. As I see it, the empire is at fault and should be stopped before they have complete power. I believe (like Lulu) that control has to be equal and separate, like how our world is. From history, every empire that has tried to gain absolute control has failed and fallen. Take the Roman Empire, once a proud conqueror of this world. Each time they attempted to expand, they get faced with resistence and after long times of war, eventually, their empires collapses. It is the same with every nation that has tried to control.
Suzaku doesn't believe in bloodshed to gain peace, but that is a far off dream. Everyone in the world has different opinions. Because of that, there is also conflict between them. And it will continue to happen, as long as man lives. Mentally, there can never be peace. Man always fights in what he believes in, and so bloodshed will continue.
Suzaku doesn't believe in bloodshed to gain peace, but that is a far off dream. Everyone in the world has different opinions. Because of that, there is also conflict between them. And it will continue to happen, as long as man lives. Mentally, there can never be peace. Man always fights in what he believes in, and so bloodshed will continue.
Really, I can see both sides. But in my opinion Suzaku is really just a pawn for the Brittanian Empire. Cause you what? When ever their regular forces couldn't make it happen, Suzaku could. As much as they hate him for being Japanese, he certainly saved their asses alot. But unfortunately, war can't be won with Suzaku's ideals. It also doesn't help that he went crazy with hatred after Euphie died, therefore becoming like Zero. Though I love Suzaku, I feel hes a bit naive. Unfortunately when it comes to war, there will be bloodshed.
So yes, I'de go with Lulu. Even though hes not doing it to give the Japanese back their freedom, hes really their only hope. He gave them hope that they could gain back their name and freedom. And he does only kill when its necessary. He also showed serious remorse when Euphie died, but he couldn't waste the chance to go forward with his plans. I may not agree with all of Lulu's ideas, but in this setting I believe hes taking the better course of action.
Long live Zero!
So yes, I'de go with Lulu. Even though hes not doing it to give the Japanese back their freedom, hes really their only hope. He gave them hope that they could gain back their name and freedom. And he does only kill when its necessary. He also showed serious remorse when Euphie died, but he couldn't waste the chance to go forward with his plans. I may not agree with all of Lulu's ideas, but in this setting I believe hes taking the better course of action.
Long live Zero!
1 year 5 months ago
Both sites have a lot of pro and cons.
Zero is covered with hatred because of his father and looses to much of his sense to act like a leader. He is to emotional and maybe really insane.
Suzaku on his site is to naiv. He really think he can change the world be being such an ideal person. But this won't work.
I think a mix of both individuals would be the right way.
At the beginning I felt with Lulu but he changed to much. It's hard to explain but I think a really good leader of a revolution should be calm, faithful and have an ear for all the people may it be Japanese of Britannians.
Zero is covered with hatred because of his father and looses to much of his sense to act like a leader. He is to emotional and maybe really insane.
Suzaku on his site is to naiv. He really think he can change the world be being such an ideal person. But this won't work.
I think a mix of both individuals would be the right way.
At the beginning I felt with Lulu but he changed to much. It's hard to explain but I think a really good leader of a revolution should be calm, faithful and have an ear for all the people may it be Japanese of Britannians.
Hmm, I would join Zero.
There are alot of cute girls on his side lol.
Ok joking aside I think his views are right, but just not being executed properly. I don't see myself siding with Brittania, they seem to just occupy a country then leave it with their flag still flying.
There are alot of cute girls on his side lol.
Ok joking aside I think his views are right, but just not being executed properly. I don't see myself siding with Brittania, they seem to just occupy a country then leave it with their flag still flying.
1 year 5 months ago
Ano... is everybody siding with zero?! Of course he's cause was just in the beginning but now... he's somewhat resembles a monster now than a human [after watching eps 24] He killed people in cold blood. I'm surprised to how much he have changed since the first episode. That's what bloodlust do to you.
I will still stick with Suzaku =)
I will still stick with Suzaku =)
Thats a tough one... i would like to say i wanna side with zero, but i dont think his methods are right. especially during the later on eps.
Suzuaku is doing whats right by the law. but since he is a japanese himself, i think he is kind of a coward.
i think the japanese just wanted to be japanese not elevens. zero is just getting a step further, asking for dependence. its not a bad idea just a use the bad approach...
Suzuaku is doing whats right by the law. but since he is a japanese himself, i think he is kind of a coward.
i think the japanese just wanted to be japanese not elevens. zero is just getting a step further, asking for dependence. its not a bad idea just a use the bad approach...
I would side with Zero, even if he's changed a bit near the end. He may have used the Japanese people in order to further his revenge, but he did give them hope that they are Japanese, not Elevens. And only after Euphemia's death can we see Zero change as a person. Remember, he accepted Euphemia's plan and when his words slip as a joke, he accidentally controlled her into killing the Japanese. He never meant to do that. Deep down, he really wanted peace.
He's fighting the war for revenge, but he's also doing it for his little sister, Nunally. When she was kidnapped, he said to himself, "What is the purpose of this war if Nunally disappears?" So deep down, Zero isn't a bad person. His ways are aggressive and does cause bloodshed, but to say that there shouldn't be any bloodshed is naive. History have shown that change occurs when there is war and bloodshed. That's reality.
I think Suzaku is a hypocrite and a coward. His ideals are too naive when he said that he wants to change Britannia from the inside. How does one go about doing that? The Brittanians despise him, and yet he still sides with them. They never respected him because he is just an Eleven to them. He's merely a pawn to Brittania. When Britannia loses, they use him to get the upper hand. He said he fights for justice, but he sides with Brittania who are far from the definition of justice. He fights for justice, but he kills his own people, the Japanese. He's a hypocrite.
And after Euphemia died, he's only filled with hatred. Even Zero has some sense. Suzaku lacks even that. I would never follow Suzaku. He is blinded by his own naive ideals. Those ideals of his can never be fulfilled in reality. It's not practical. And even though he has those ideals, he doesn't do anything to fulfill it. He just follows Brittania like a dog, and he thinks that will change Brittania? No, that won't change anything.
Neither Zero nor Suzaku are "right" or "wrong." Simply put, Zero is the lesser evil.
He's fighting the war for revenge, but he's also doing it for his little sister, Nunally. When she was kidnapped, he said to himself, "What is the purpose of this war if Nunally disappears?" So deep down, Zero isn't a bad person. His ways are aggressive and does cause bloodshed, but to say that there shouldn't be any bloodshed is naive. History have shown that change occurs when there is war and bloodshed. That's reality.
I think Suzaku is a hypocrite and a coward. His ideals are too naive when he said that he wants to change Britannia from the inside. How does one go about doing that? The Brittanians despise him, and yet he still sides with them. They never respected him because he is just an Eleven to them. He's merely a pawn to Brittania. When Britannia loses, they use him to get the upper hand. He said he fights for justice, but he sides with Brittania who are far from the definition of justice. He fights for justice, but he kills his own people, the Japanese. He's a hypocrite.
And after Euphemia died, he's only filled with hatred. Even Zero has some sense. Suzaku lacks even that. I would never follow Suzaku. He is blinded by his own naive ideals. Those ideals of his can never be fulfilled in reality. It's not practical. And even though he has those ideals, he doesn't do anything to fulfill it. He just follows Brittania like a dog, and he thinks that will change Brittania? No, that won't change anything.
Neither Zero nor Suzaku are "right" or "wrong." Simply put, Zero is the lesser evil.
#638468 Quote Report Edited by ^pink-sakura 1 year 5 months ago
I'd side with Zero. He is not 'perfect', like, the all-good or whatever, but yes he is the lesser evil. Also, Suzaku is way too idealistic and easily influenced. He changes like the wind after what happened with Euphemia, and is not a balanced character.
Lelouch's ways only lead to more fighting and bloodshed. But I can't blame him for such rash actions since he has full hatred over Britannia and he wants to ensure a good life with Nunally. Lelouch aims for happiness, which is very hard to attain. I didn't approve of his methods before. As I got deeper into the series, I began to understand Lelouch's ways. I want the same thing as well.
I strongly disapprove with Suzaku's ways even from the start. Sure, he can restore peace while working in the Britannian Army, but it's uncertain. Plus, I think he's far too naive of the situation at hand. In the end, he also let his anger get the best of him because of Euphie's death. Revenge isn't really the answer and I can say the same thing for Lelouch.
For now, I'm rooting to Lelouch's ways.
I strongly disapprove with Suzaku's ways even from the start. Sure, he can restore peace while working in the Britannian Army, but it's uncertain. Plus, I think he's far too naive of the situation at hand. In the end, he also let his anger get the best of him because of Euphie's death. Revenge isn't really the answer and I can say the same thing for Lelouch.
For now, I'm rooting to Lelouch's ways.
Personally... I'm more to Lulu's side, atleast if I were in his shoes, I will do the same thing he did. But somehow what he did I would rather view it as impure(fighting against brittania for personal reason but he did it as if it were for the 11's sake) But I don't think Suzaku's way in real life is going to work. In the first place, if he wasn't rescued by Lelouch when he was to be executed, he wouldn't have gone so far. And also if it weren't for Lelouch, he would have died in the island when Avalon was about to annihilate everything over there. Personally I don't think glamorous success comes clean anyway. Of course, Lulu's way of creating mass destruction is somehow despicable to a certain extend. Lastly, of course my personal liking towards Lulu. Lelouch@Junjun, ganbare!! ^^





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