I love Wolf's Rain first off, The art and character was both fantastic. But then you get to the ending! I mean it leaves just a few questions. Why don't Kiba and the others remember? Why can Tsume ride a motorcycle, a driving car maybe even a wolf could but a motorcycle? Are Kiba and the others still human? Is the Lunar flower at the end Cheza or does she still have a human body? What are your thoughts?

<!--QuoteBegin-cancerbrat+Dec 15 2004, 12:42 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cancerbrat @ Dec 15 2004, 12:42 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I love Wolf's Rain first off, The art and character was both fantastic. But then you get to the ending! I mean it leaves just a few questions. Why don't Kiba and the others remember? Why can Tsume ride a motorcycle, a driving car maybe even a wolf could but a motorcycle? Are Kiba and the others still human? Is the Lunar flower at the end Cheza or does she still have a human body? What are your thoughts?

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<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->long time since i watched the show (Cancerbrat... did you also see the eps till 30??)why can`t a wolf ride a motorcycle... I`ve seen squirrels waterski... so I think a wolf is perfectly capable of riding a motorcycle <!--emo&;)--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> 1 thing I do knowKiba and the pack were never human <!--emo&^_^--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='happy.gif' /><!--endemo-->the`re wolves who hid their true form.. and took the shape of a humanthat is why they leave paw-print instead of footprints (as you can see early on in the show, when that drunk hunter (forgot his name) came out of the bar when blue was barking)about Cheza.. I don`t know.. I`ll have to watch it again..

Yes, dont forget about the other episodes that were released after the series was origonally completed. I cant seem to find a place to get all of them x_x but i know that episode 26 isnt the real end to the show, ive got 27, but yeah oh well

Of course I've seen all 30 episodes but in the first episode Tsume grabbed the little guy and it looked like he grabbed him with his "hands" but really he grabbed him with his mouth and the kid saw and freaked out. So even though the human form is an illusion the wolves still pick something up but humans see them pick things up with hands but really they pick things up with the mouth. Also Tsume's knife thing is actually his claws in wolf's form so that might mean the motorcycle is a disguise like the clothes. I mean in Newstype, I think that's the magazine's name, it says the claws are the knife. Watch the 1st episode again if you haven't watched it in a while and don't believe me. And wolves don't have opposable thumbs so how on earth do they ride a motorcycle?

I'd find Wolf's Rain to be incredibly boring if it weren't for the wolve's personifications.

Actually I saw about 4 of the episodes said I hated it but recorded the episodes anyway and after I watched all of them I fell in love with the show.<!--emo&^_^--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='happy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

I'll have to agree with verbal, this series starts strong then after a few filler episodes, lack of character development and sparse plotline this series just runs out of gas. if not for the beautiful animation, yoko kanno's music, and cheza I would have lost interest.

It gets a bit boring but the animations are nice as well as some of the music. The story is soo complcated!

Yes I agree with eveyone who says the art is fantastic and the muic is too. As for the complicated storyline well I personally love animes with a deeper meaning. I mean if everything was a simple clear and black and white thing then everything would be boring. I think no offense to anyone, it might be complicated because you never took the time to contemplate fully what it meant. I personally believe the ending of Wolf's Rain was saying that there can never be a perfect Paradise especially becasue of the fact everyone in there own minds has a "perfect" Paradise and I also believe at the end when it showed Darcia's eye in Paradise that meant that evil will still exist in Paradise. That good cannot be without evil. You guys may have come to a different conclusion but that is mine. Here is something from an Inuyasha site hat I believe is true and it is about all animes and why you don't like them or why they are so complicated; <a href='http://www.chibiexplosion.com/inuyasha/' target='_blank'>http://www.chibiexplosion.com/inuyasha/</a>And you can find this QA in the FAQ section:Do Americans really try to understand anime?This is a question posed to "Ask John" at Anime Nation, and I liked his answer a lot, so I'm going to post it here. I believe that at least 50% of my site-goers need to read this. "For years die-hard, experienced anime fans have struggled to make Japanese animation more respected and understood in the English speaking world. Ironically now that anime is more popular than ever in America, and American fans know more about anime, and are more familiar with more anime titles than ever before, I sometimes think that English speaking fans have still overlooked one vital characteristic of Japanese animation. It's Japanese. Anime is made by Japanese artists that are inescapably influenced by the native culture in which they were born and raised. Furthermore, anime is made primarily for Japanese viewers, so it emphasizes the concerns and genres and stylistic characteristics that Japanese viewers are familiar with and enjoy. Whether or not Americans realize it, the reason why we find anime fascinating is largely because its foreign. It's not like what Americans are used to, which makes it interesting and appealing." "I don't mean to pick on dubbing again, but I find myself unable to avoid doing so. When Americans dub anime into English and change titles and character names, we're doing so as an attempt to remove the "Japanese-ness" of anime. In effect, dubbing is an attempt to make anime more American. And even some anime fans that prefer Japanese language anime may still unconsciously apply their expectations to imported Japanese animation, based on their native American culture. Westerners may sometimes be unhappy with the way an anime series develops or ends because it doesn't conform to our expectations. It's then necessary to determine whether the fault lies with the anime or with unreasonable expectations of the viewer. An American viewer may be used to American films and cartoons which generally always have a happy ending, or at least a clear, conclusive ending. That same viewer may be angered by a particular Japanese ending which isn't as obvious or simple. Is the fault then with the anime or with the American viewer that expects a Japanese film to emulate the style of an American production?" "It would be irresponsible of me to argue that all anime simply represents Japanese artistic tendencies, though. Because it's creative fiction, anime still has to adhere to the same literary standards that apply to all creative fiction, regardless of national origin. With an example like Mahoromatic: Something More Beautiful or Berserk, the ending is shockingly abrupt and seemingly incomplete. In both cases, the tragic ending was inevitable and clearly suggested as an ultimate outcome from the very first episode. But there's no denying that the endings of both Mahoromatic and Berserk suffer from some lapses in screenwriting. The final episodes of Berserk lose the steady pacing of the earlier episodes, packing too much exposition and not enough resolution into too little running time. The ending of Mahoromatic betrays the atmosphere, and more importantly the carefully constructed character personalities developed throughout the series. In a purely objective, analytical sense, the endings to these series are flawed, but perhaps not as much as many American viewers believe." "I won't go so far as to say that American viewers are stuck in a rut of watching only action/comedy/adventure anime, but I do think that many American viewers have gotten caught up in the kinetic, visual and trendy aspect of anime and overlooked the unique cultural aspect of Japanese animation. Not all anime is perfect or exceptional; the fact that an anime may not seem good may very well be just because the anime isn't very good. But sometimes the problem isn't the anime; it's the viewer's perceptions and preconceived expectations that are the problem. I think that American viewers need to watch anime with an awareness that what they're watching was not originally designed to appeal to their distinct tastes and expectations. When we eat Chinese food, we don't want it to taste like a hamburger. When we watch Japanese animation, we should be likewise thankful that we find it unusual and foreign and appreciate that originality instead of complaining that it doesn't seem more American."

Probably not the correct place to post this ... but i saw it referred to in this thread soo ... nobody should bash anime because its got messed up mouth movements or that its in japanese. Dont hate it .. if you dont like it .. simply dont say anything. Anime is a genre of its own. And in my standings is one of the best out there. I dont know why people try to dub anime. Anime is japanese. Why do you need it in english? The #1 reason why so many subber groups are out in this world today is that, alof of english speeking people, or more so ... non japanese speeking people want to understand what is going on in anime. And fan subs are the best way in my opinion because it is a more direct defenition because of all the slang in japanese today, when you get an american company trying to translate anime, for example Inu Yasha, or Cowboy Bebop or anything that you find in DVD format today in North America/Europe, the english dubbing is soo messed up because they are translating what they hear into proper japanese. But the thing thats important here is that, they are not speaking proper japanese. Thats why you get alot of translation differences between sub groups. Because the slang that is used differes to different part of the island.

Yes, I agree wholeheartly. But then I think people who like dubbed animes kinda maybe have a WEAK point. They don't understand Japanese. Now it's a weak point and stuff but to each its own. The only thing that did bother me is at the end of Wolf's Rain when everyone was expecting a happy ending. The wolves go to Paradise and run around in the forests and hunt deer or whatever meat that is their favorite. The thing is maybe in the Japanese culture, there aren't many happy endings like Americans have in their shows, or maybe they aren't so clear cut. Maybe they do this to get you really thinking. I mean at the end of Wolf's Rain we all know the wolves got to Paradise (like our world right now) but maybe Paradise itself is nonexistent and the creators were kinda playing off that idea. I'm sounding really weird right now probably but I'm serious. If you don't like the ending of any anime, it is probably because it doesn't match your tastes so you get mad. That is just stupid. If you don't realize that it is for a foreign country that probably matches their tastes better than yours because of their culture then pfft to you!! But then again the reason why I started this thread is because of the fact I honestly did want a more clear understanding. I'm not trying to contradict myself but now that I read the last thing from AnimeNation and the post from danewfie I realize that Wolf's Rain's ending is actually pretty good. Because many things in this world is unclear and I believe that is true even if I'm the only one who believes that. Oh and to note I like messed up mouth movements!^_^

Whether it meets our expectations or not, it still is a bad ending. It doesn't matter what its real intentions were because we, the audience, are watching it. We make of it what we want to make of it. We don't need someone to tell us what we OUGHT to think.If the ending to Wolf's Rain was intended as such, fine. More power to the producers, however it's not helping the audience. I think if you ask some Japanese people who have also watched Wolf's Rain, they might agree with us that the ending was lacking, confusing, and incomplete.Anyways, the ending left me saying wtf. I didn't even watch the entire series, but I happened to stumble upon the last episode on Cartoon Network (yeah <.<) and I couldn't believe my eyes. Makes me glad that I didn't watch the entire series.

Well true that may be opinion and I bet a lot of fans did think that, actually that was what I was screaming 5 mintes after I first watched it. And while the ending is incomplete to most I think that maybe not having complete endings and just thinking about is fine too. Of course this is my opinion so if you don't like it well just disagree with me. I do hope the producers do something else like a movie. The same thing they did with Cowboy Bebop only maybe this movie should be the real ending to satisfy the people who didn't like the ending already. And I'm not trying to get people to think of the ending a certain way. I made this thread specifically so we could talk about our different interpretations of the end of the anime if we liked it. Of course if you hated the ending...

What's there to interpret? With what little and confusing images we were given, it's really hard to come to a conclusion. I personally think that everybody died, paradise finally arose, and somehow humans are still alive and kicking. The seeds from Cheza must've populated a good bit of the planet, or at least the nearest vicinity.That's all I can come up with...

Well that's your interpretation. My interpretation is that they died to get to a world that is considered Paradise. But this Paradise still has evil. Remember the eye melting into the pond then the flower near it started turning blackish purple? I think that means that even in Paradise, evil will always exist no matter where you go. And then as evil "spreads acroos the land" more wolves if Kiba and them are still wolves, try to find a nother messed up Paradise and the cycle just continues on. And see even with the ending you think is really bad you sould still come up with some type of interpretation. Not trying to be arrogant or anything. Just commenting...