America does a great job at keeping the people scared... This latest attempt will be around for quite a while.


Anyways, I live on Edgeware road in London... On of the stations bombed was Edgeware road tube station- As Nanuk stated...

And yes, it was quite a shock- Edgeware road is nicknamed arab-land by most. The stores and people all speak arabic and the streets smell of hashish during the summer. The only places that don't sell halal meat is mcDonalds and KFC and major store chains like sainsburys or tescos- seriously. It really was unexpected

Back on the subject, I was not surprised at all... If anything I was surprised it happened really quick and on quite a large magnitude- But as for the terrorists attempting an attack, I was WAITING to see when and how it would happen. Why? Given the recent developements in the Middle east- the Israeli-Lebanon conflict... (Massacre is more like it). The Arab community is furious with the US and UK for their unconditional and blind support of Israel. If the 7/7 bombings were an action implemented by the war in Iraq... we better brace ourselves for whats coming next. There's an obvious pattern to all this- If the west are responsible for arabs suffering- there will be a terrorist attack. Misery loves company.

Every coffee shop and restaurant on Edgeware road is bursting with conversation about this, and how this will entail more terrorist attacks and how Arabs will be targeted once again- they joke about cutting off beards and wearing jeans to avoid police raids and targeting.


But really angers them the most- is the mention of their ethincity and religion as if it is vital... If it were a british guy or whatever... they wouldn't say "3 british christians were arrested today..." or "5 catholics from france and germany were questioned.." but it seems necessary to add "4 british muslims..."

We need to bomb the hell out of these countries- starting with Iran. It worked with Japan and Germany. If we don't do something soon, my grandkids won't have a United States of America to call home.

We're our own worse enemy. We just let who the hell ever in, and play nice with everyone. No one else does that. I think the UK did a magnificent job in stopping these terrorists. I think had they been here in the U.S. they might have made it through.

I'm so moving to England. :P

LenasLover

We need to bomb the hell out of these countries- starting with Iran. It worked with Japan and Germany. If we don't do something soon, my grandkids won't have a United States of America to call home.

We're our own worse enemy. We just let who the hell ever in, and play nice with everyone. No one else does that. I think the UK did a magnificent job in stopping these terrorists. I think had they been here in the U.S. they might have made it through.

I'm so moving to England. :P

That's very disturbing to here, especially in an anime forum. For someone to openly acknowledge their support of the hiroshima bombing... ANY japanese person will definetely cut your head off with a smile on their face. I'm actually quite surprised your an anime fan AT ALL with such a view.

I really hope you move here to england- you would definetely get stoned to death for having such narrow-minded, unthoughtful views(unless your in the BNP, or live in Middlesburough). YOu obviously have no idea what the british public think- why these attacks happen- or what your country does to provoke such terror.

You are right about one thing though, you are your own worst enemy. Ignorance is the biggest killer. I suggest you turn News off, and pick up history book on the east and start reading.

mooks

LenasLover

We need to bomb the hell out of these countries- starting with Iran. It worked with Japan and Germany. If we don't do something soon, my grandkids won't have a United States of America to call home.

We're our own worse enemy. We just let who the hell ever in, and play nice with everyone. No one else does that. I think the UK did a magnificent job in stopping these terrorists. I think had they been here in the U.S. they might have made it through.

I'm so moving to England. :P

That's very disturbing to here, especially in an anime forum. For someone to openly acknowledge their support of the hiroshima bombing... ANY japanese person will definetely cut your head off with a smile on their face. I'm actually quite surprised your an anime fan AT ALL with such a view.

I really hope you move here to england- you would definetely get stoned to death for having such narrow-minded, unthoughtful views(unless your in the BNP, or live in Middlesburough). YOu obviously have no idea what the british public think- why these attacks happen- or what your country does to provoke such terror.

You are right about one thing though, you are your own worst enemy. Ignorance is the biggest killer. I suggest you turn News off, and pick up history book on the east and start reading.

You took what I said out of context, and you haven't heard half of why I said what I said. It would take a long time, and something that is better suited for conversation- not for a post.

I hate war. I wish no one had to die. But sometimes countries get what they deserve. We didn't ask for the Pearl Harbor bombing. And I adore the Japanese. It isn't Japan's fault as a country or as a culture that the government goes astray- but unfortunately they are the ones that pay for it. The people are always the ones to pay for it- it doesn't mean that they are evil or deserve it. But unfortunately, there isn't a way around it.

Don't pass judgement on someone you don't know and have little idea of what they think. This is a message board for God's Sake.

Geez when is this stupid war gonna stop!?!? seriously its pointless and im going to UK to study nxt year! im going to be soo scared...in fact i sumtimes regret getting ready to go to england for boarding school...im pretty scared.. =/ all of these bombings and stuff occuring around UK...ahhh!

LenasLover

You took what I said out of context, and you haven't heard half of why I said what I said. It would take a long time, and something that is better suited for conversation- not for a post.

I hate war. I wish no one had to die. But sometimes countries get what they deserve. We didn't ask for the Pearl Harbor bombing. And I adore the Japanese. It isn't Japan's fault as a country or as a culture that the government goes astray- but unfortunately they are the ones that pay for it. The people are always the ones to pay for it- it doesn't mean that they are evil or deserve it. But unfortunately, there isn't a way around it.

Don't pass judgement on someone you don't know and have little idea of what they think. This is a message board for God's Sake.

There is something defined in the Geneva convention as "Reciprocity", although it didn't exist in the time of hiroshima bombing, the US really lose the reciprocity proportion.

I agree with you to some extent, I hate war as well, so if the death of a group of people in a single strike can stop the war then I think it is worth it.

I dont really see why they bombed the UK i mean the terrorists, F@cked with America now they F@ck with the people who back up America, sh!t, nothing is ever simple is it?

i mean honestly i dont see the point of Fighting the British and the Americans in the first place..alright they placed foot on your "holy" land and they took their foot off, and a new nation arose back in WWII which the us and the uk supported and still douse, like honestly what the hell is their point of this, its not like their winning anything for their god, YES I SAID THEIR GOD SO FLAME ME, i woundt trust any god that requires me to kill innocent people for a piece of earth, i might not understand the issue but i do understand this is plain out bullshitting stupid, no matter how much you fuck with America you're gonna need way more firepower to take the US down, and i doubt that causing chaos is gonna do nothing more than spread panic, and with the population and the strength that the US houses that wont do much except get more soldiers onto your "holy" land. And with that this reminds me of all the countries that retreated from Iraq when small terrorist groups took hostages...i mean seriously what the hell did you expect, most of those where news reporters and where informed of something like this happening, and just because of that some countries retreated, i would understand if the nations sent soldiers to fight for a goal and once that goal was reached the troops would be sent home and i would also understand that if the goal becomes blurred then the nation would retreat its soldiers since they lost the actual purpose oh why they came but pulling back sever hundred or thousand troops because of some hostages is plain stupid and this just oppens up a path for terrorists to "negotiate" with.

i don't know im an idiot im plain and i have no real way of thinking but this just makes me angry, i see no real point of theese atacks if there isint a definite and powerfull threat that is able to kill thousands and if not hundred thousands of people. The terrorist organaizations cant do much unless they are backed up by a government because else there is no real way to spread their way of thought and recruit more men unless they share some really and i mean REALLY strong opinions, most muslims themselves wont probably join terrorist groups unless they posesss a strong belief for something because if not they don't see any real purpose of dying<---this is just my dumb 14 year old opinion.

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yes i find the terrorisim attacks pointless, because if there is a strong willed nation where the population is one sided, like in WWII when every1 was pro war against the Nazi's terrorisim won't survive more than maybe a year and a half, this whole UK bonbings are probably signs of the muslim extremists group want the UK to stop backing up US troops, and so the attacks would begin, not on the US but on the more mellow UK, because THe United States is full of paranoia, and the UK reacts by making its borders and the country more secure, so yes...well done. But as far as i know doing this wont do nothing more than make a country's view on this issue more definite, and its answer is : "this needs to stop"

Quoting LenasLover
We need to bomb the hell out of these countries- starting with Iran. It worked with Japan and Germany. If we don't do something soon, my grandkids won't have a United States of America to call home.

We're our own worse enemy. We just let who the hell ever in, and play nice with everyone. No one else does that. I think the UK did a magnificent job in stopping these terrorists. I think had they been here in the U.S. they might have made it through.

I'm so moving to England. :P




That's very disturbing to here, especially in an anime forum. For someone to openly acknowledge their support of the hiroshima bombing... ANY japanese person will definetely cut your head off with a smile on their face. I'm actually quite surprised your an anime fan AT ALL with such a view.

I really hope you move here to england- you would definetely get stoned to death for having such narrow-minded, unthoughtful views(unless your in the BNP, or live in Middlesburough). YOu obviously have no idea what the british public think- why these attacks happen- or what your country does to provoke such terror.

You are right about one thing though, you are your own worst enemy. Ignorance is the biggest killer. I suggest you turn News off, and pick up history book on the east and start reading.

I agree with mooks. And by the way, it isn't as easy it it was: Japan and Germany - bad guys - bomb them.
No you just cannot say - Iran - terrorist - bomb them. Sorry, but we saw this with Irak. Where are their atomic weapons, eh? Maybe this was the wrong terrorist country...?! Little mistake happened there.
There lies the problem: the people you want to hit are scattered all over the place, not only in one country but in many. You want to destroy there roots, right, but are you then allowed to destroy all the countries where they are in? WHERE is the enemy?
oh yes, while talking about for example of the hiroshima bomb: was it really necessary to use this kind of bomb? Hasn't there been another possiblity apart from using the atomic bomb? The MEANS used are important too.
And perhaps you should also watch your language, Lenas Lover. "Bomb the hell out of these countries" - mmh, just don't like this, sorry, just my opinion because as you said, you also talk about innocent people.
If a good friend of yours lived in one of that countries you probably wouldn't talk like that either. It's easy to say such things if the country's far away and all your beloved ones are safe. The lives of others dont count then.

To those who are complaining about my comment: You are not looking at the big picture. You are worried about the casualties of war. Me too. I don't want anyone to die. But the thing is- one day- if we don't do SOMETHING... and by 'we' I mean the countries being attacked- then the terrorists are going to win.

How do you propose we do that? Go ask nicely? That will save a lot of lives.

The U.S. has the money and the means to stop this. We won't. And I love this country because we do care so much about the human race. But we're going to run out of options.

And by the way; I didn't say- or mean: "Iran- bad guys- bomb them." As I said this topic is way more complicated than can be typed out on a post- it needs to be discussed where people can explain themselves and hear rebuttles.

And to whoever said: "Turn off the news.." I work in news, thanks. That doesn't mean I agree with the crap they say. I have my own beliefs. What I was saying is - we now have harmony with Japan and Germany after everything we went through in the past with them.. and I'm saying we can have it again if we grow some balls and stop trying to be everyone's pal.

Believe me, even after I read my own comments- it does sound harsh. I don't mean for it to. I'm all for everyone living happily and getting along. And it isn't as though I think America is a fantastic place. We have a lot of problems. I understand to some extent why people think we're so evil and without morals. That doesn't mean we - or any other countries who are free to practice their religions- deserve to be bombed for no reason. And it needs to stop.

Well..
i'm wondering how it feels to live under fear as northamericans and europeans.. I live in south america, so i've seeing terrorism only on tv... and, without the feeling of fear we can see things in a different way...
USA has done so much bad things to little countries as they were the owners of the planet. I think anyone deserves respect, but it doesn't mean we can allow terrorism an neither war, on both there's innocent people diying, or any of you has forgotten the Israelian offensive against Lebanon. i didn't like musulman terrorist, i didn't like Bush acting like the king of the world, and i didn`t like people calling themselves "americans" forgetting the fact that america is a whole continent full of countries.

see ya!

Spentzar

I dont really see why they bombed the UK i mean the terrorists, F@cked with America now they F@ck with the people who back up America, sh!t, nothing is ever simple is it?

I'm afraid you're rather mislead. The bombings or attempted bombings were not about the war in Iraq, or supporting U.S. troops, or anything like that. The bombs were set by people who had lived in Britain all of their life. They walked the streets of London or Brighton or Manchester. They had jobs, families and lives.

This is not about America per se, but rather about the Western way of life. Extremists believe that how we live is immoral and unholy. That's how they think. Most people with such extreme beliefs don't do anything that could be considered terrorism. It's a similar mindset to racism-- most people who are racist don't commit hate crimes, they just live with that hate.

But what can we do? Personally, and this is personally, I think we should slog on and block any attacks that are attempted. To lock anyone out of a country because of what they believe is not the answer. Bombing them is not the answer either, because what will that breed? More anger. More extremism. More terrorism.

Because of racial profiling throughout the U.S., and to a lesser extent the U.K, more home-grown extremists are popping up. My uncle is a Sihk who lives in Southern Ontario. If he wanted to go across the U.S/Canadian border, he would be stopped and searched-- despite the fact that he's lived in Canada since he was eleven years old.

Imagine that strain. Imagine going through your life with a million suspisious eyes always watching you. Imagine having people cross the street to get away from you, or whispering terrible things about you to their children as you pass by. Imagine having someone yell "go back to your own country, you fucking terrorist!" despite the fact that you've lived in the West for your whole life.
Give anyone that for their whole lives and it's not surprising they want to blow something up.

I'm not trying to justify their actions, just trying to explain them. Understanding is the cornerstone of a civilized society.

LenasLover

To those who are complaining about my comment: You are not looking at the big picture. You are worried about the casualties of war. Me too. I don't want anyone to die. But the thing is- one day- if we don't do SOMETHING... and by 'we' I mean the countries being attacked- then the terrorists are going to win.

But who owns the word "terror"? Who can call whom a "terrorist"?
In fact, from a moral standpoint, you might call the American troops in Iraq terrorists. They run around with masses of weapons, break down doors and into homes, yell at terrified people in a language they don't understand and then shoot them. They torture victims using sensory deprivation, sexual harassment and verbal abuse. They do not allow their prisoners to know what time it is, they do not allow them to use the toilet, they do not allow them basic human rights.

The dictionary definition of terrorism is
n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what they're doing sounds a fair bit like terrorism to me.

Well well
knowing how the goverment works ..

those people they arrested were probably suspects that havn't done anything
and the whole thing was set up BY the GOVERMENT to REMIND us THAT THEY ARE KEEPING US !! SAFE!!

so we won't stop paying taxs ect

PROBABLY TO STOP US COMPLANING OF THE ENERGY CRISIS THATS LOOMING ROUND THE CORNER!!

Jade-Dragon

trebors

that's good high security = safer

yes, but it also means longer lines. why do people do things like this. casue of them everybody sufers.

personally, i am more or less of a state-centered person...I support giving up freedoms for security (as a part of the "deal" between government and its citizens)

your right about the added inconveniences, but for me...it's a sacrifice worth making

pink-sakura

Discuss.

that reminded me of a snl skit with mike meyers

Nanuk-

You bring up great points, and I do agree with much of what you say. Especially with what you say about the American troops and all the confusion.

Maybe blocking attacks would be a better way to handle it. There is no sure way to eliminate just the enemy. There will always be another enemy. But America has never been able to just sit back and watch other countries starve or be attacked when they can help it. Maybe that is wrong- maybe we should keep our nose out of other people's business. Even after the Tsunami, many people did not want America's food and money- they were starving and had nothing- but it was better to not accept the help.

There isn't a single country as a whole to blame for anything that is going wrong in the world- only individuals. But when a country wants to protect those people- somethings gotta give. That's my opinion. It might be wrong, but that is how I feel.

My all time heroes are were all terrorists... Nelson Mandela, Che Guevara, Malcom X, Yasser Arafat... these people who all fought for the freedom of their countries are all terrorists- My granduncle, who fought for the independence of Kenya (my pops' home country)- was executed as a terrorist.
Although this is a completely different level from those plane-bombers and tube-bombers. BUT there is almost no distinguishing between the latter.

@LenasLover, I apologize for coming on so strong. I actually did take offense to the comment... My life-long friends and neighbors are from Iran and i work dilligently with them campaigning for the banishment of Sharia law and implimenting womens rights. Having lived closely with such wonderful people, studied and visited Iran- it is a place i have come to love.

However such efforts(Human rights campaigning, etc) have been hijacked to support certain political ends and foreign interests, and that's were the lines become blurred for most people- I become really emotional and defensive whenever people talk about Iran in such negative views...

I would be very interested to discuss on a much more serene and collected manner, as of how you came to such a conclusion... As well as Pearl Harbor- considering the sequence of events that led up to it (They kinda saw that one coming)- I'll just refrain myself for now... hope to have an amicable discussion between us...