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Relaxation by °Tens  1 day 47 minutes  ago

Relaxation by °Tens 1 day 47 minutes ago

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As an animation, Bakemonogatari has a simple, clean art style. But the guest illustrations for the series are anything but simple! So, it's great to see that °Tens took on a more complex illustration and made it his own with vector gradients so fine at points it more resembles painting that vectoring. Do have a look at this beautiful wallpaper!

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~Loleta 48 seconds ago
Okay, Michelle. ..Wait, I'mguessing that's your real name ? ...Sweet. One of my friends have the same name.

~Mysticmom2 23 minutes ago
Lol sure. You can call me michelle.

~Loleta 26 minutes ago
Good, thank you Mysticmom2. .....Um...Mysticmom2, is it okay for me to call you a nick name?

~Mysticmom2 35 minutes ago
No problem. How are you tonight Loleta?

`Sakiera 39 minutes ago
*shakes head* If I stop now it'll never get finished, plus I'm so close to completion (I think)

~Loleta 40 minutes ago
Hi there Mysticmom2 :). I didn't know that you said hi when had I posted my previous comment, sorry ;). Sakiera. I guess it's really harder than it looks huh(?). Well, take a little break from the wallpaper for now. Unless it's for a contest.

`Sakiera 48 minutes ago
Any background can cause me to pull my hair out, but this one is kind of scenic

~Loleta 50 minutes ago
WWhat type of background?

~Mysticmom2 53 minutes ago
Hey guys.

`Sakiera 59 minutes ago
They can just be arduous to work on, plus I fail when it comes to backgrounds and it's taking a toll on my Bleach wall...

Independence

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~Gvnkwyr
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Independence

Nice word, it reflects freedom, sovereignty and a lot of good things... generally is view with good eyes, but is the same in modern society?

What would you think, as a citizen of your country, if some region or state suddenly claims independence and starts to fight for it?

NOTE: I don't have mentioned ANY country name and I wait the same for you, I know that several real-life examples exist, but this space is for well-reasoned and calmed debate, I don't want to start a political pandemonium!

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~flyleafus
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Ahh, an excellent topic, particularly for me as I am an American citizen and yesterday was independence day for the United States; woot 233 years old, can't wait till 250.

On a more serious note though...

I would say revolution (violent or not) is justified only when the government that is to be overthrown has failed to properly serve the people. Yes the point of the government is to serve the people, in today's modern times I feel that too many people forget that. Now what it means to "properly serve" brings up the whole matter of what is the proper function of government but that is a different discussion, some might say it is to provide jobs for all while others might say to maintain the law and nothing else but this is a matter upon itself outside this thread.

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It's a good reason, but...

Government's failure is not necessary a justification for revolution, a president that fails to serve people can be changed, laws can be reformed or some other changes can be made. Democracy is intended to please majority of but not all people, so even if a 25% of the population is not in agreement with the government the best thing they can do is wait for the next elections.

But what happens if independence claims are justified by religious, ideological, ethnic or cultural reasons?

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A part of Social Contract Theory is that people consent to be ruled. When they no longer consent, they will (attempt to) oust their ruler and (attempt to) install another one - or leave their governement's zone of influence and try to install their own government in an ungoverned zone or swear to another. Taken at face-value, and in a general sense, people who live under oppressive, fascist, or otherwise poorly-executed governments are okay with it. If they weren't, they would be rising up to overthrow the government or fleeing to another area.

By extension, if some group in my home was so unhappy with their government, even if I view the government as good and benevolent, that they rose up.. well, social contract theory says they're well within their rights to do so. So while I wouldn't really be happy about it, I'd be okay with it.

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~Gvnkwyr
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Yes, that's right too, but I insist in my question


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(...) they will (attempt to) oust their ruler and (attempt to) install another one - or leave their governement's zone of influence and try to install their own government in an ungoverned zone or swear to another.


Fleeing and fighting for independence are totally opposite: there is an ungoverned zone in the world? not really. People who claims independence won't to go somewhere else, they will fight for the right to freely govern the land they own, free from the influence of a discordant ruler. I agree with you that independence, in modern society, shall be the last resource, leaving space for negotiation with current government or attempt to oust it. But if fleeing is not an option, what would you think as a citizen? as the governor? as part of the people who wants independence?