ChrisWas

Actually, the events of the Fall of Adam and Eve are quintessential to biblical teaching. What good is any of the Bible if there was no such thing as sin?As for your original question, I feel the answer is an insurmountable yes. Of course, some take creationism as fact. Others see the story as metaphorical. Either way, however, christians must agree that there was a fall. That's where most of the controversy arises. Creationism allows for a fall. Most christians feel evolution is incompatible with this, hence your question:


thewarangelIs is still possible to have faith or claim to still be a christian if a person doen't really think the begining stories were physically true and more of a metaphore like the events in Revelation are seen as?




Can you have faith but not believe in the physicality of creationism? Yes. You can believe in evolution, creation or whatever other theory you can come up with, but to maintain religious coherency, the Fall has to be worked somewhere into the solution. As long as you do that, there is no problem.


Does that answer your question?

I believe that is a very reasonable way of going at it and I can quote a previous post I made to assure you that I do belive there was a fall.

"We can possibly see the old testament as a physical explination of occurences in the spirit used by God ,a spritual being, to explain things to the physical being Moses."

Which brings me to my other point that soon followed.

"If you are going to have faith in God don't base it on the physical keep it spritual I think that belife in God is not as far fetched as the other non physical things we seem to believe in. Can we deny love, lust,fear, honor, or hope just because they don't have physical manifestations like rock or trees? How then can we deny the faith people have that God exist by limiting our understanding to the physical?"

No one who calls them self a Christan sould ever just plainly read the bible and expect to understand the true meanings. One scripture can mean so much that more than just what it simply says. It's like when you break down a poem line by line to better understand it. We have to also keep in mind that God's thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not ours. "Lean not to your own understanding" could have been said to clue us in on how to better interpert what is really being taught in the bible.

That's a bit of a paradox question I mean that's like asking can electricity exist without the belief of science?

of course the obvious answer would be yes

I certainly believe so.

thewarangel

Can Fatih Exist Without Belife in Creationisim ?

It sure can, brosef! Hell, if anything, you’ve got more faith than the average schmuck. Most scientists just say, “Aw, fuck with this shit!” after learning all the things you’ve learned. And if anyone gives you shit about not being a true Christian, just tell them to back the fuck off, and to focus on the plank on their eye rather than the splinter on yours, or however Jesus said it.

Gvnkwyr

I am atheist, but once I was a person of faith (strange change, don't you think?).

Not at all. That’s how it was for me. I think that’s how it is for most people who are atheists.

x64600

Atheism is faith, Faith that creationism, or god does not exist.

Nope! Atheism is the lack of belief in God, gods, goddesses, and all that other stuff, not the assertion that all that stuff is false. After all, would you consider my lack of belief in Zeus, and the tooth fairy a matter of faith? I assume not because, like the Christian god, there’s no evidence for their existence, and it’s only logical for that to result in non-belief.

x64600

Everyone has faith. In one thing or another. Weather it is in science, god, or that there is simply more in heaven and earth then we have dreamt of, Or if it is that there is nothing more then what we already know.

It’s true that there’s a degree of faith involved in most peoples’ belief in science, and evolution. It’s best to compare it to our belief in black holes. Sure, we’ve never seen one, and we never will, but the same type of people who tell us they exists are the same type of people who’ve made great progress in medicine, and technology, so it’s not like we’re going in the wrong direction to place our faith in them once more.

Furthermore, it’s still not entirely apt to say belief in evolution requires faith. Theoretically, anyone can go out, and replicate the experiments scientists conduct. It just so happens, most of us are lazy, so we don’t, and we take evolution at face value because the pros who say its true have street cred. Religious faith, however, demands by default that you take things at face value.

I wonder if people will get angry when I publish my book about this?