I am an avid fan of house and techno music, unlike other pathetic narrow minded people who listen to their boybands and generic craptologist daily orderings, I believe lyrics and songs singing together is lame, and old.

House music and dance music in general is reaching an all new high in certain parts of the world, leading like a storm in Malaysia, from Singapore, the largest glamor superclub ZOUK hosts great gatherings and rave parties outdoor and indoor each year, great sponsors host multiple DJs and Underground artists events such as Salem's Revolution and REgeneration parties down at Genting Highlands, and all sorts of great events happening all over the place.

The music is pure sound and beats, channeling between using lots of beats to minimal and funk revolving tunes to gather an audience's attention and listening, it is also a great trend that is constantly expanding into new territories and endlessly expandable without horizons.

While lyrics and songs are lameness, why? How many of the market's top songs are all boy bands, emo punk rockers, and crap like that? I mean, real artists don't even get real recognition anymore, but westlife, mongoose bands, get all their undeserved attention.

and you know what? 90% of the songs are love songs... OMG! the shock!

Time to turn to sounds for comfort, that is why I love techno and all forms of dance music, not only is it dance-able, it is party made, and fun to listen as well as original, the endless spans of creativity is wonderful.
Currently I am onto the new CD of Disco Kandi by Hed Kandi productions, wonderful tracks.

I even recommend some www.grooveradio.com (my fav station) for your underground music needs.
so tell me, who are your artists of dance music choice, recommend me some tunes, as well as albums and stuff.

I listen to some drum and bass stuff and industrial... some weird minimalistic and noise stuff too: Venetian Snares, Dieselboy, Converter, Autechre, Merzbow, Juno Reactor, etc... Don't know if you'd really call any of that techno, but I've never really pursued dance music much.

Why did I had a feeling that you will make a post about who like dance, house, and techno music? But anyway, I have my reasons and one of them is American music. Man, rap was good back in the day, but now it's sooo boring, because all they talk about are girls' bodies and money. So later on life, I listen to dance music, and it was making my head getting into the groove. Then I began listening to more and more, until it is part of my life. Ever since, I really house and dance, but a little for techno. I don't know why people hate it. It ain't that bad, I guess its due to fast beats, "annoying sounds", and off beat songs. My current favorite is Winter House Dance 2005, which is a long mix with good beats in it. By the way, has anyone have channels with dance or house music? If so, do you got XM BPM, XM Move, and XM System, because that's where I find most of my songs. Then I use a "secret" way to download them. Heh heh heh heh...

Omnidevil not only do you have good taste in walls but seems music as well.
I just love dance/techno/trance music.
I donno if you have heard of these but im sure ull like em.
Tune Up- Feel fine, Tune Up- Ravers Fantasy, United beats- Por Que No.

I listen to Kaskade, Gaelle, Miguel Migs, Lampshade, Aya...Lisa Shaw. All of the Naked Music artists I listen to, their music is good and stands strong in their own right. Who else? ...Jason Nevins, Daft Punk, Stardust, Hakano Lidbo, Hedi Kani.

Well, I hope I may interrupt you guys even if I don't listen to techno. The only electric music artists I like (till now) are Daft Punk, Aphex Twin and a bit The Prodigy.

I don't like the mainstream songs either (like omnidevil), because most of them are uninteresting, unintelligent and just there to make money.

But...

While lyrics and songs are lameness, why? How many of the market's top songs are all boy bands, emo punk rockers, and crap like that? I mean, real artists don't even get real recognition anymore, but westlife, mongoose bands, get all their undeserved attention.

If you think that lyrics and songs are lame just because of that then you are just like narrowminded as the poeple you described.
There are enough genres which aren't like the (I like to call it) mainstream crap.


And I have to tell you I don't like most techno songs, too, because I think most techno songs are unintelligent and sound marble (I hope this is the right word) because you don't have have a real connection to the artist through the music. Right, I don't know most artists, only the more known ones, so I can say nothing about those I don't know.

Omnidevil not only do you have good taste in walls but seems music as well.

Well, people have different tastes so I think you can't say "you've got a good taste in music."

So, I said all that I wanted to say and now you can hate me if you want^^.

OmegaSlayer

I don't know why people hate it. It ain't that bad, I guess its due to fast beats, "annoying sounds", and off beat songs. My current favorite is Winter House Dance 2005, which is a long mix with good beats in it. By the way, has anyone have channels with dance or house music? If so, do you got XM BPM, XM Move, and XM System, because that's where I find most of my songs. Then I use a "secret" way to download them. Heh heh heh heh...

well for one, no one likes noise as they put it, but artistic noise is great, I mean, ok, singalongs are nice for a while but not when 90% of the market top rated (overrated more likely) are mushy love songs with repeated contents all the time, speaking of fine collections, if you are into techno, I highly recommend Dave Angel, the techno funk music is really really superb if you are looking for hard core tunes.

AssasinXXX

Omnidevil not only do you have good taste in walls but seems music as well.
I just love dance/techno/trance music.
I donno if you have heard of these but im sure ull like em.
Tune Up- Feel fine, Tune Up- Ravers Fantasy, United beats- Por Que No.

Thanks, I dropped trance a long time ago when trance become generic, trance nowadays do not really appeal to me as they are generally like house but recycled so badly the beats needed a fresh new turn to it. For one, DJs like Tiesto was really overated.
I have never heard of the collections you spoke off, are they more to trance? Cause rave = trance in most places.

FutekiTwilight87

I listen to Kaskade, Gaelle, Miguel Migs, Lampshade, Aya...Lisa Shaw. All of the Naked Music artists I listen to, their music is good and stands strong in their own right. Who else? ...Jason Nevins, Daft Punk, Stardust, Hakano Lidbo, Hedi Kani.

Oh... another fine tasting individual, I like to those from Miguel Migs, Naked music was a bit over played especially here, it is played in most of top class bar rooms that I go to, it is ok, but not my favorite, plus their house music was rather mundane as compared to the wide selection offered by Hed Kandi.

Stardust has like one good hit "music sounds better with you" and never heard from them again. any links?

krns

Well, I hope I may interrupt you guys even if I don't listen to techno. The only electric music artists I like (till now) are Daft Punk, Aphex Twin and a bit The Prodigy.

I don't like the mainstream songs either (like omnidevil), because most of them are uninteresting, unintelligent and just there to make money.

you have very limited views on techno and underground music my friend.
for one thing the entire underground scene can be expanded endlessly into so many genres.
Just take techno for example, it is like mixing beverages.
Techno plus House = Tech Funk
House plus Jazz = Acid Jazz
House with classic disco = Disco House
House with Drum and Bass elements = Deep House and/or Progressive
Techno with tribal elements = Tribal Techno
Breakbeat, Garage, Old School, New School, Progressive Trance, Goa Trance, Minimalistic, Tribal House, Dirty Techno, Deep House, Progressive Techno, Simple beats, Rare Grooves, Trip Hop, Trance + House, Jungle (different from Tribal mind you), Drum and Bass (mostly dead).
The elements are all different and endless.

krns

While lyrics and songs are lameness, why? How many of the market's top songs are all boy bands, emo punk rockers, and crap like that? I mean, real artists don't even get real recognition anymore, but westlife, mongoose bands, get all their undeserved attention.

If you think that lyrics and songs are lame just because of that then you are just like narrowminded as the poeple you described.
There are enough genres which aren't like the (I like to call it) mainstream crap.


And I have to tell you I don't like most techno songs, too, because I think most techno songs are unintelligent and sound marble (I hope this is the right word) because you don't have have a real connection to the artist through the music. Right, I don't know most artists, only the more known ones, so I can say nothing about those I don't know.

One thing you should know, techno music does not aim for you to look for the heart and soul of the music, it is more like how deeply enjoyable it is, how much the depth of music reaches you, make you wanna move your body, make you wanna go down there and sweat, and how easily enjoyable it is as you listen to it over and over again. The layer of beats, finding the tune within the tune. That is what I enjoy the most.

Since on general, songs and lyrics often have one thing in common, lyrics, overlaying beats, while music like techno and house (progressive especially ) highlights the beats before the lyrics if any, and makes it really special.

well, there is so far nothing that can convince me the market is NOT filled with mainstream crap, I mean good real artits are no longer appreacited ,and like it or not, many have descended from their ranks, from the classics like U2 which were legends by their own right, they died now (at least to me) with their changes to rely on volume, which every other punk rocker is doing, and making it mainstream.

The world of rap is filled with black men talking about shaking booty and spending money on spinnaz. The jazz scene is so quiet and really greats like Stan Getz only get onto the small stages, their albums barely budging beside to fans like me and some others.

Singers like Prince came back with power, but then with all the mainstream crap, it was sweeped off the charts again, beside staying on the alternative choices chart which is meant for rare music.

Many a times I would have to agree, yes, techno is essence and doesn't say too much for the artist to channel their inspirations through lyrics and you mistaken my words for lameness on ALL LYRICS.
which I did not say, I said this, MOST of the lyrics in songs today are all GENERIC.
whatever happened to greats like BBKing? Eric Clapton, John Lee Hooker, Celine Dion, Faith Hill, Eric Benet...?
So many of them went silent because the market is dominated by crap.

That is why I came to the conclusion I made.

krns

Omnidevil not only do you have good taste in walls but seems music as well.

Well, people have different tastes so I think you can't say "you've got a good taste in music."

So, I said all that I wanted to say and now you can hate me if you want^^.

I have what I might say an individualistic taste, hence yes, I agree, there is no good taste or fine taste, more like a taste of similiarity, however, who doesn't like to be praised to have "fine taste"?

And I thank you for your input, if you should respond, please tell me what is your in depth review of the music of today leading to the silencing of the good and rise of the mainstream?
Oh, I hardly even heard of Pink Floyd anymore.

I listen to Trance, lounge and Progressive mostly, and the vast majority of tracks in those categories are sounds-and-beats only. Lyrics kinda kill the electronic spirit.

you have very limited views on techno and underground music my friend.

That's right and I also said that.
But I refer to the fact that most of the electric music fans here don't know much about other music either. Yes we both know the mainstream but what we don't know are other 'underground' genres. I don't know what you call underground but I think it means that it's not popular and thus only heard by people who like it.
Yes then that's the same with other genres.
Take the subgenres of metal for example. Yes I know there are a lot of famous metal bands but on the other hand there a lot of electric artists too who are well-known.

Here's a list of some metal genres (sorry that this is a german list but in the short time looking for it I didn't find it on the english wikipedia.) and a lot of these genres are 'underground', too then. And you can also mix the genres like hell even with subsgenres of other genres.




For the other things I got a bit misunderstood because of my writing skills. Yes I know there are/were good mainstream artists and I like some, too.
And for that I don't like most electric music should have been the post to the topic itself.
Sorry about that.

krns

you have very limited views on techno and underground music my friend.

That's right and I also said that.
But I refer to the fact that most of the electric music fans here don't know much about other music either. Yes we both know the mainstream but what we don't know are other 'underground' genres. I don't know what you call underground but I think it means that it's not popular and thus only heard by people who like it.

ah not really, underground music is called underground music due to the fact of its humble beginnings, in the beginning it was handled in the garage of others, much like how rock started by the likes of Alan Freed in small time community bars that have a small stage for specific fans, and eventually spreaded wide due to the demand of newer generation. Underground is the same as Dance music and Electric Music, it is referred as underground music in general.

It is not popular at old times due to its subgenre-rish ideals, for example, there was a time when Chemical Brothers was listed as "rock" or "electronic rock" which was wrong as none of their music has that rock element to it, namely, rock has more of guitars, drums, less synthesizers, while their music runs the totally opposite direction, however, there was no specific category.

That said, it is not because it was not popular, at the age today, Underground music is one of the world's leading music, it is name to call for, no matter your choice of genre and sub-genre, thousands of fashion designers and stage producers choose underground music as their intro themes, catwalk music, huge parties always use underground music to attract the crowd, it is the name of tune.

By generally lesser known genre, it is also one of the genres that do not get appreciated in the modern choices for generic and public choices today, but rather than that, it is the more practicial choice of art and music in all round.
Oh laymen terms, you don't see fashion shows pulling off a fashion show by playing "Uptown Girl" right?

Yes then that's the same with other genres.
Take the subgenres of metal for example. Yes I know there are a lot of famous metal bands but on the other hand there a lot of electric artists too who are well-known.

Here's a list of some metal genres (sorry that this is a german list but in the short time looking for it I didn't find it on the english wikipedia.) and a lot of these genres are 'underground', too then. And you can also mix the genres like hell even with subsgenres of other genres.

I understand that, the underground scene is a little saturated with its constantly expanding categories of subgenres. Many subgenres like Drum and Bass dirty funk did not make it too well, when attempting to mix a little too much, which shows the appreciation and artists involved did not try too hard to make it sell.
While on the other hand, it is also constantly flexible.

But I guess you cannot have it all now eh? NO music is perfect.

For the other things I got a bit misunderstood because of my writing skills. Yes I know there are/were good mainstream artists and I like some, too.
And for that I don't like most electric music should have been the post to the topic itself.
Sorry about that.

ah yes, I am glad you understand, to me NOT all mainstream artists are bad, I mean, hell, in terms of mainstream, what mainstream are we talking about?
Mainstream Pop, Mainstream J-Pop, Mainstream Rock, Mainstream Blues (I like this one), Mainstream Jazz (never get tired of it), Mainstream Dance (UGH, Trance...), Mainstream Country (I love it), Mainstream Hip Hop *sucks*

I understand where you are coming from so no need to apologize. Like wise, we all must learn.
and thus, what you do not like, there are others.

Techno/Trance/House/Dance music is my favourite genre of music. I'm not in favor of vocal trance, instead I like instrumental. It's quite unique listening to some music without words, and yet it's still very catchy. Special effects and driven beat, it's a wonderful combination for this type of music.

However, I do have a friend who seems to deem Trance/Techno etc. as "not music" at all. As I recall, he believed that this kind of music is "a bunch of useless sounds made of things that aren't real instruments to bleed the ears." Of course, after this I had to engage in some sort of "debate" with him that he inevitably lost in the end. :]

Kamenbutoukai

I do have a friend who seems to deem Trance/Techno etc. as "not music" at all. As I recall, he believed that this kind of music is "a bunch of useless sounds made of things that aren't real instruments to bleed the ears."

I can't stand to hear that. As it is, I'm surrounded by people who never miss an opportunity to point out to me their disdain for the "noise" I like to have blaring from my speakers on a daily basis.

Now Typo is not the biggest music connoisseur, especially when it comes to identifying different genres, but I do know what I like. Along with VGM I prefer some trance in my daily routine. I don't particularly have anything against lyrics, but for me, like many others here it's more about the feeling of the music itself, I like the expression "finding the tune within the tune" as Omni said before. I mostly listen to the sometimes loved, sometimes despised mainstream DJs like Oakenfold, Tiesto, Sasha, also had a brief stint downloading alot of Infected Mushroom tunes (I think that's supposed to be GOA Trance, not sure right now), Chemical Brothers, and Cold Storage, in-house band of Psgnosis created some really nice stuff in the first couple Wipeout games.

I've always wanted to expand and try out some more sub-genres, but never really had/made the time to do too much of it. Frankly I'm just glad there's a thread around on this topic! I was worried that I'd have to make it. :x

Meh. i like trance and dance

Great Typo! that was what I was hoping for, yeah, it is true, you should look over for certain things you know, not always are music revolved around lyrics and stuff, sometimes, just looking for the tune to listen to is also a plus. That is where dance music comes in.
I sort of like Tiesto when he first came out, then he had some originality to his tunes, it is a funky type of trance he was playing, and then it became rather generic trance. He should do deep house, for a time his tune sounded more like deep house that ever.

For those who are looking for the best, around 98-2002, there was a guy who was playing some really nice house and garage, look up for Danny Tenaglia, that is the choice of best music you will ever hear.

I also started out with trance, so I did sort of like it, my first trance listening was TranceNation NK1 released by Ministry of Sound, which I dropped after they reached Nothern Exposure 3 which is a double CD filled with crap trance and mush.
Infected Mushroom is more to Goa and Minimalistic IMO, kinda messy, but it is nice if you wanna go really really hardcore. I prefer Ninja Tunes.

Then I shifted towards house, which is still one of my favorites. Disco house was my favorite all through high school, nowadays I mostly enjoy dirty techno and tribal funk.

Omnidevil

I am an avid fan of house and techno music, unlike other pathetic narrow minded people who listen to their boybands and generic craptologist daily orderings, I believe lyrics and songs singing together is lame, and old.

House music and dance music in general is reaching an all new high in certain parts of the world, leading like a storm in Malaysia, from Singapore, the largest glamor superclub ZOUK hosts great gatherings and rave parties outdoor and indoor each year, great sponsors host multiple DJs and Underground artists events such as Salem's Revolution and REgeneration parties down at Genting Highlands, and all sorts of great events happening all over the place.

The music is pure sound and beats, channeling between using lots of beats to minimal and funk revolving tunes to gather an audience's attention and listening, it is also a great trend that is constantly expanding into new territories and endlessly expandable without horizons.

While lyrics and songs are lameness, why? How many of the market's top songs are all boy bands, emo punk rockers, and crap like that? I mean, real artists don't even get real recognition anymore, but westlife, mongoose bands, get all their undeserved attention.

and you know what? 90% of the songs are love songs... OMG! the shock!

Time to turn to sounds for comfort, that is why I love techno and all forms of dance music, not only is it dance-able, it is party made, and fun to listen as well as original, the endless spans of creativity is wonderful.
Currently I am onto the new CD of Disco Kandi by Hed Kandi productions, wonderful tracks.

I even recommend some www.grooveradio.com (my fav station) for your underground music needs.
so tell me, who are your artists of dance music choice, recommend me some tunes, as well as albums and stuff.

I don't know if anyones heard of him but DJ Tiesto is good (Just Be) ,as is Paul Oakenfold (Bunnka), I do have several Daft Punk albums...Human After All annd Homework? the one with "Harder Better Faster Stronger" ,I have to admit Im not hardcore underground or anything but I ve gotten my feet wet, so to speak :P