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this is very tragic story and it made me reflect on a place i was barely a year ago i wanted to ask if it is not too personal your take on the recent news about this young man and if you have ever considered taking such a drastic (unnecessary) measure your self. What is your stance on such an action and what do you think was the message trying to be conveyed by this young persons actions. please be sensible in your answer (if this post last at all) -_-

People have their own problems, in my opinion

But suicide usually happens when someone take his/her life away because he/she can't find a way to solve his/her problems.
It should NOT be done as:
1. You don't solve the problem at all -- you're running away from it
2. You'll hurt your loved ones because they lost you.

When you have a problem, you should tell someone that you REALLY trust and so that they can lend you a LISTENING ear and give you suggestions on how to solve it (the problem).
NEVER give up and commit suicide. It doesn't help a single bit.

JMax to say that to a suicidal person doesn't help it just makes them feel worse. It makes them feel bad for thinking what they're thinking.
Suicides are done mostly by people with depression or a mental illness. They need help by someone listening to them and drugs sometimes. Sometimes there is nothing you can do.
I haven't consided it but I'm sure I will at somepoint depression is very common and it runs in the family.
So not sure what his message was I suppose he just wanted help but at the same time felt that low that he really did it. I'm appalled no one watching said anything they're not in samaritans they get too call someone. And they should have.

...People who are suicidal...

Most people think reasons for suicidal include:
1. Running away from problems - Can't face certain person, their own guilt.
2. Life sucks - Life is boring, nobody loves me, loneliness.

Honestly for me I think if you're bored or whatever and find that life has nothing to offer you then you're wrong.
Cos...have the suicidal people ever thought deep enough about their own actions?
Most people think they're the 'victims' and that the others are not being fair on them or that they are not loved. Is it just a mistake?? Are they not looking more closely and deeply into how others around them try to show their love for them?? Maybe it's hard for the people around them to do that. Or is it because they just couldn't be bothered making friends or find it hard to talk to people. Have they ever tried?? Rejected?? Then stand back up again. It all goes back to just they themselves taking the first step to show that they like themselves before they deserve any kind of respect from other people.

Running away from problems?? Stressed?? Feeling guilty for something?? Addiction?? Well...why don't those people just think for a minute. Is suiciding going to solve anything?? Yes it will 'release' them as they say...but that's just a selfish act. Not caring about any other people in their lives...or maybe they just don't have anyone?? Or again maybe they just don't care enough to find people that actually care for them. By solving problems it helps them to built confidence, find out what was wrong before and to become a better person. Like 'Trial and Error'. Why suicide?? Many people out there are in much more of a worse condition than people who wants to suicide. Do you seem them killing themselves?? Like people in Africa for instance...poor people in different countries, orphans, people who have incurable diseases like elephantitis...can't do anything about that. Children who were born with illnesses which they did nothing to deserve that. If they're still living their lives, why suicide??

If everybody runs away from all those problems in life, well then...I think humans wouldn't have existed anymore.
Maybe one's problems are greater than others. But so what?? That's life. Life is unfair.

So if those people have the courage to harm themselves to the point where they die, why don't they have the courage to fight off all problems and try to at least become a better and a more respectable person. Throwing life away which is very hard to obtain in the first place...if you think about all those animals like fish for instant only get like 1 or 2 offspring surviving after fertilising 1000000000 batch of eggs...honestly, to have a life is already very lucky. So why destroy it?? Nothing is impossible, maybe it just needs time for things to get by and for suicidal people to stand back up...but if they see the possibility themselves then I don't see why they can't carry it out.

Oh boy where should I start from with this topic? Okay, for starters that guy’s story was pretty sad and my condolences to his family because they obviously seem to care a great deal for him. I have to say that I was not surprised in the least when I heard that no one called for help and hell, some people even egged the poor guy on, this just goes to show that in end suicide is not a solution and if you ever resort to doing such a thing, do it in the privacy of your own space, most people in this world does not know or care about you and your problems. I have thought of committing such an act in the past and even till this day, I question the reason for my existence but I try not to fall back in to old habits because I’ve set myself up in such a way that I am no longer around the people who were the main cause of such thoughts to begin with. They are no longer able to touch me!

When your adrenalin gets flowing, it’s very hard to think with any logic and in fact, logic goes out the window at that point. I hear this saying all the time (You are your own worst enemy) and I think there’s some truth to that, I think we maintain or fall to our ruin through our perception of fear, doubt, and lack of confidence and beliefs. Whenever I was faced with any problems in the past I would fall into despair quite easily but as I got older, I turned to anger and it produced a lot of great results for me. Anger saved me! I don’t know the reason for my being in this world and it can be very frustrating at times but I live and take things one day at a time and have found comfort in a few things while doing so, but I will never look for a resolve in the following “Religion.” I just know that I’m here to struggle and live till the bitter end.

Dying is inevitable and there’s no way around it so why should I speed up the process when each day brings me that much closer to my doom. For all I know this is as good as it gets, and when I die, it will only be worst, I don’t know, it’s a mystery that I’m in no hurry to find out. That guy was obviously going through some problems and was crying out for help but he chose the wrong place to do so, the internet is a place where most of its users choose to remove their mask and reveal their true self or the inverse for some. I’m a very pessimistic person so I know if I should ever fall back in to that frame of mind, I would never seek help from anyone and I would never ever broadcast it on the internet.

Sorry, I just had to add something else, I was reading through "jhmcc" comment and came across this "Many people out there are in much more of a worse condition than people who wants to suicide. Do you seem them killing themselves?? Like people in Africa for instance...poor people in different countries, orphans, people who have incurable diseases like elephantitis...can't do anything about that. Children who were born with illnesses which they did nothing to deserve that. If they're still living their lives, why suicide??"

Okay, so like I said before, when you are thinking in that frame of mind, nothing else matters, you don't think about how other people might have it worse than you do, you don't think with any logic and in fact SELFISHNESS takes a front seat. It is not about anyone else, it's about you at that point, just you, why me? I used to think that why a lot when I lived with my mother and would often think about, dear I say it, a fast quick painless way out of this life, this world, but it was only through anger that I found my resolve. I got angry and saved myself!

And another point that I absolutely have to disagree with you on is the creation of life and how lucky we are to have it. I did not asked to be born and what's worse, to have my family turn around and make me feel bad for living. There is nothing special about creating life, well I'll say that from my mother's perspective and so many others whom I've seen, treat their kids like crap. What's the point in creating life when you're miserable and unsatisfied with your own? Or when you don't have the sufficient founds to take care of the child's needs? Or when you forgot to use contraceptive or protection and then turn around and call it a gift from God, PLEASE! And then you turn around and make your kids life a living hell by imposing your stupid religious beliefs or retarded views of life on them ? Selfish it's just plain selfishness and I will never acknowledge it as being something special because too many people take it for granted. I'm not trying to nitpick at your comment or anything; I'm just trying to show you how it feels when you’re in that predicament. But some of things you've said does make a lot of sense and I agree with you especially on this part "So if those people have the courage to harm themselves to the point where they die, why don't they have the courage to fight off all problems and try to at least become a better and a more respectable person." I did that and I'm better for it!

It sounds like you've never been depressed Jhmcc come back again when you have or know someone who is and say that those things you mentioned. Believe me thinking those things will not help. Neither will saying those things to that person.
At the end you are right they need time and an understanding person.

.... okay, i'd like to add my point to the thread, i haven't read fully all replies, but went through two reply mainly sapphire wolf and jhmcc, so my reply would be base on these two mainly, pals, i'll use a quote from a game i like "ally? enemy? this issue isn't so black and white!"

you make it sound like, wishing for death is bad, like being alone is bad, like being sad, being in pain is bad, i came to a conclusion on my own, (awesome i was able to remember of a sentence i made myself some hours ago), life, everything on this earth, got no meaning, no sense, it's us, humans who make sense of senseless, and takes off the meaning of things we brought too much sense to

you say, depressive people, or suicidal, or whatever label you people use, are "people" who feels lonely, or found no meaning in life, and thus needs help, but what about people who makes meaning of their life by example, a young teen boy, would find his life meaningful to date lot of girls, or the max amount of girls, some would find it meaningful to watch animes forever, but when some find meaning in death, it's bad? why? cause it's death? it's not really logical, just cause, it's meaningless for someone else doesn't mean it's senseless to the one concerned, and trying to analyse it as if it was some sickness or stuff, i used to say "in physics, it is said, that all forces have their opposite, if we apply it in life, it would mean, good, evil, black, white, light, darkness, then, if some people are here for a reason, it obviously and surely means some have no reasons to be here (so look for reasons, would be like lying to their natural being) if everyone got a soulmate (it can't be) no, it's impossible, some might be "fated" to be alone ( i don't believe in fate, by fate, i mean, like, they won't have another half like everyone ) we are individuals, it's true, we have common characteristics, that allows us to be judge, analysed at a certain level, body, and so on, but man, categorizing suicidal people as if all of them are sick mentally

does it mean am sick? i hate life, but i don't feel lonely, at least, if i do, i cherish it, it's better than being surrounded by "nowadays" people', i don't need to collect friend around, i'll quote another line, from the mangaka of Ghost in the shell "even if i know there are many beautiful things in this world, i can't help from seeing mainly the bad of it" and there i go again, if we come to see more bad than good, that obviously mean, to one's mind, there's obviously more bad, truth lies within the eye of the beholder doesn't it? if for others there's more good than bad, good to them, it's up to them, to decide to live, but, life isn't even a choice to start with, if a guy who is involved in wood works, is offered a military suit for his birthday, does he have to accept it? of course not, it's his choice to accept or not, and he sure has the right to refuse, just because it was a gift doesn't mean it's an obligation to take it, same for life, just because we have it, means we have to live it? am sorry, i can't see any logic behind that line, some might come and say, if logic is needed to live, then it's not real life, fine then, stop being logical, betray your girlfriend or boyfriend, try every drug possible, it's not logical, go all out

my point is, don't put everyone in the same basket, suicidal pesons happens to find more meaning in death, but most of them, true, does that to have more attention, and for the reasons above, but not all, and don't make it sound like a sickness, it is for general suicidal people, like it is a sickness for general people to be fond of stuffs like drugs, smoking, living life all out, and so on, these are due to images projected to us by society, and our unability to develop our own character, for most of us!

So if those people have the courage to harm themselves to the point where they die, why don't they have the courage to fight off all problems and try to at least become a better and a more respectable person.

if Einstein and other many other great personalities "who were humans like us" were able to reach this far, why all of us can't do the same? man, this quote, it makes me sick, these kind of lines are the ones that fools people around and make things sound as if i was just black and white, there are many colors between man, think ahead, don't stop behind the line, there's not only 4 direction, not only 2 colors, we limited us to these cause it makes things looks simple, keyword? "LOOK" i did write it in bold, "LOOK" but things are never, i say it again, "NEVER" this simple, and only those who are enough harmed unfortunately, opens there eyes on reality, and why they don't find the courage to fight for life, because, there's nothing to be struggled for, on that side, i answered to it

life is about winning, when you're given a ps3, and an xbox, and asked to choose, you would choose what is more profitable, just because you were able to choose a ps3 doesn't mean you were weak for not choosing the xbox, same for that quote, if someone finds more to earn from harming himself, means surely that there's nothing to earn from not doing it, your line just decorates reality, and it saddens me

@ maverickslayer I said most are depressed. I’m sure a lot will find meaning in their death and be happy with that but what I was trying to say that lots are ill and need support not shouting at about how bad they are for wishing death. It’s not bad to wish for death in the end it’s your life to do with what you want. It just annoys me when people think they can beat it out of people or think they’re weak.
Depressive people are not people who are lonely and haven’t found a meaning in life. It’s a constant or persistent case of feeling low. Sometimes caused by the things mentioned before.

Too many times.. and i am not proud of that fact...

I lost my younger sister to this,
any words I'd say would on the topic would only
be a severe understatement on the pain I carry everyday.

Suicide is not a good thing, in my opinion. The very act of taking one's own life is wrong and for a person to think of suicide, it's really a waste of human life. I've never thought of suicide before since I've seen it happen, so I'm not eager to follow that path.

Sorry wall o text lol ^^
Wow Katelyn seems to have the same kinda mom i... had, i should say, im going to see if she has really changed over this break. i have had the same feeling of this isn't fair i didn't ask to be here and i had anger, but because of it being the main thing that fueled my mother and my strong desire not to be anything like her i had to let it go. i am not a vengeful person and i often times had to laugh to keep from crying. lots of people don't know i joked a lot to keep my mind off of various problems. i swore i would kill my self if i had to go home this past summer and i found that a few of my family members were cool with me staying with them. growing up poor physically abused at times and verbally mistreated constrained and keep under a high level of scrutiny being used and don't get me started on what they did to my credit. had an ultra religious house hold but i realize that the bible isn't teaching me to do anything wrong and it is morally correct i see no reason why i should turn from it. personally dealing with my self is one of my biggest problems still trying to find out who i am an when i told other members of my family what my folks were doing to me i found out that they all really do care for me. leaving this summer got my mom to respect me a little more as a person. i used terminating my self as a motivation in a way, i decided if i don't make this needed change in my life even if its for just one summer i may as well end it now. things with my parents did change and i know that i have many different people in my family who just simply want to hear from me so i know am not unloved or unimportant. the idea i will admit it resurfaces when ever i am down but i have learned that i can only be dragged down by life's adverse currents if i stop swimming and if i don't call out for help when i cant stay afloat on my own. i don't have to accept defeat even if i lose because i am still breathing i still have legs to stand up again and a mind sound enough to either find another way or move on to the next task until i can come back to it with fresh ammo and the knowledge gained from falling the first time. never say never! don't dare utter the words i give up! be who you are with out apology! you know right from wrong with in your self! the only thing that can hold you back from the things you want is how much you limit doubt or second guess your self. if you don't know- ask, if you are not sure- find out, the worst thing you can do is stop moving because i have found this saying to be altogether so very true ;that life is sink or swim and that you only get out of life what you put into it.

@ Youngster... dude i am very sorry to hear that.