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Ryosuke

I checked aledi, in malaysia, the latest volume is 33 only..i dunno others country the latest volume got 34 onot? Haha..my dream car is FD now since i watched initiald..but cant effort, can buy FC also not bad at all...hahaha

You mean mazda Rx-7 FD3s right? Actually my brother said...this car use rotary engine.. But i didn't know about this car..(the weakness and the power)

Ah... All the Mazda Rx series has used Rotary Engine (since '71 Rx-3). RE is one of the main emlem of Mazda Sports Car.

I'VE ONLY READ INTIAL D BUT HAVE PLAYED THE WANGAN MIDNIGHT ARCADE GAME AN IT WAS FUN:)

Emmm..so far, i didnt found out the weakness of FD and FC..both also not bad..power, it's depends how much horsepower you can tune up..?

One thing that I'm sure about is FC and FD have almost no diference in their HP.
But I've checked this topic already, you talked 'bout RX-8 before.
Based on my knowledge, although RX-8 has newer technology under it's hood (Twin rotary, right?), but it has lower top speed compared to RX-7, ecpecially FD. I've ever heard that FD had low sales 'coz they consume more gasoline compared to other sports car.
'Coz of this, Mazda had reduced the power of the next production car (RX-8), so it'll consume less gasoline than RX-7.

About the battle? I agree with Ichitaka-sensei. I think it'll be a battle between AE86 against RX-8. RX-8 will be no match for RX-7, since RX-7 has more HP, although they came from the same manufacturer.

Initial D is very very very very awesome, It is one of my favorite anime and mangas. The car are well drawn, and the plot story is very good. Actually i also watched the anime, and wanted to know if there will be a 5th stage. Anyway this is a manga that i always recommend to not only my friends but lot of other people who like mangas to read. It is worth spending your time on it. As i read the manga of Initial D i quickly wanted to watch the anime. The drift they do in it are so cool that it makes me want to have a car like that of ryousuke or keisuke. Those who watched the animes will agree with me that the music from eurobeat and move are the best of the best. The musics just fill in completely the background of the action to what is happening. At first when reading the manga, it was so awesome that i would continue to read it again and again. Then i got the animes and when i watched it...phew... there was no words to describe how awesome it was. I was astonished, the cars was like in 3D. Oh am also trying to find some cool Initial D wallpapers, if some of you guys know where i can find some, please send a message to me. BTW, do some of you know what the "D" in initial D or PROJECT D means? I know that it has a meaning, I found somewhere on a forum that it means demolition or destruction, something like that. So i wanted to know what it means really if some of you happen to know.

I though the D in initial D Meant drive, Drag, Drift,
I could be wrong tho.

Well, actually I think I watched some episode from the second season of Initial D (the anime), where someone explained what the "D" meant. I don't remember well, but I think it means something about excellent, pro or quality driving. Sorry about this, but I watched this episode a long time ago, so I can't remember it well. Hope this can help you a little.

If you talk about what D in Initial D or Project D means. I'm sure that D means DRIFT. But if you check the English version of Initial D that have been released by Tokyopop, especially the opening and the ending songs, You'll find other means of D.
There's mentioned D means DRIVE, DRIFT, DREAM. Hope this will answer your questions clearly.

You're rigth! Now I remember! In fact, the anime version
refers as Project Dream. So I guess the original meaning in
the manga refers to Drift.
Afterall, they always drift all the time in both, the manga and anime.

kathyzeena

You're rigth! Now I remember! In fact, the anime version
refers as Project Dream. So I guess the original meaning in
the manga refers to Drift.
Afterall, they always drift all the time in both, the manga and anime.

They don't drift all the time at least not as much as 1st stage. They race in drift and grip, but mostly grip now in 4th stage. It would make sense to drive grip since that is the faster and more efficient driving style.

Wow, look like there is million Q in here... (Most been answered)

But here I go... Be prepare for Long comment...


K, start with this one.

Ryosuke

Emmm..so far, i didnt found out the weakness of FD and FC..both also not bad..power, it's depends how much horsepower you can tune up..?

Start off, I said it before that all the car has some weakness no matter how good they perform. There is ALWAY some weak spot.

LOL, if you look it this way, FC vs FD. Now from here, you see a lot of difference here. FC Turbo-II only come with 200hp/196tq, while FD come with 255hp/217hp. There is about 55 plus difference. Not only that, but FC is Single-Turbo, while FD is Twin-Turbo, twin turbo help with laggs. Even go with weight, FD weight lighter by 100lbs (FC-2987lbs vs FD 2830lbs). Not only FD is lighter, it's more powerful than FC.

Now FD isn't the best either... There is always someone (somecar) better. FD vs GC8.... (make it short) GC8 weight lighter than FD, GC8 has more hp than FD, and it's AWD, it grip everywhere. It's upper class than FD (in my opinion).

But don't forget; in the drift world, lighter and powerful isn't always better. Why? Because, lighter body with powerful hp can't go into the wheels as needed to grip. Right amount of hp with right amount of weight is always that best way to built the Drift car.

Now do you see, FC and FD has some weakness.

Now second...

ToegaY-kUn

One thing that I'm sure about is FC and FD have almost no diference in their HP. But I've checked this topic already, you talked 'bout RX-8 before. Based on my knowledge, although RX-8 has newer technology under it's hood (Twin rotary, right?), but it has lower top speed compared to RX-7, ecpecially FD. I've ever heard that FD had low sales 'coz they consume more gasoline compared to other sports car. 'Coz of this, Mazda had reduced the power of the next production car (RX-8), so it'll consume less gasoline than RX-7. About the battle? I agree with Ichitaka-sensei. I think it'll be a battle between AE86 against RX-8. RX-8 will be no match for RX-7, since RX-7 has more HP, although they came from the same manufacturer.

Hm... True, Rx-8 (FE) has new tech Rotary Engine (RE)... But just let you know, FC and FD had twin rotaries. That's nothing new. Thing that is new is the weight of the new RE. FE's RE weight WAY less than FD/FC's RE. And also the center weight of the engine and so low to help with performance.

I'm not sure gas-mileage was the reason, but not only Rx-7 went out. Nissan Silvia S15, Nissan Skyline R34, Nissan 300z and Toyota Supra also went out of production around same time.

But, I'm interested to see if next Rx-7 is going to have N/A Tripple Rotaries or keep as Twin Turbo Twin Rotaries... Or even Single Turbo Tripple Rotaries. Never know...


Third...

blackyondaime13

Initial D is very very very very awesome, It is one of my favorite anime and mangas. The car are well drawn, and the plot story is very good. Actually i also watched the anime, and wanted to know if there will be a 5th stage. Anyway this is a manga that i always recommend to not only my friends but lot of other people who like mangas to read. It is worth spending your time on it. As i read the manga of Initial D i quickly wanted to watch the anime. The drift they do in it are so cool that it makes me want to have a car like that of ryousuke or keisuke. Those who watched the animes will agree with me that the music from eurobeat and move are the best of the best. The musics just fill in completely the background of the action to what is happening. At first when reading the manga, it was so awesome that i would continue to read it again and again. Then i got the animes and when i watched it...phew... there was no words to describe how awesome it was. I was astonished, the cars was like in 3D. Oh am also trying to find some cool Initial D wallpapers, if some of you guys know where i can find some, please send a message to me. BTW, do some of you know what the "D" in initial D or PROJECT D means? I know that it has a meaning, I found somewhere on a forum that it means demolition or destruction, something like that. So i wanted to know what it means really if some of you happen to know.

For the 5th stage.... You're looking another 2~4 years ahead. And director don't want to make filler episodes (like Naruto or Bleach), so expect to wait for long, long time.

And you got the answer for "D", so I'm not commenting.


K, Last one....

AnimePaul

kathyzeena

You're rigth! Now I remember! In fact, the anime version refers as Project Dream. So I guess the original meaning in the manga refers to Drift. Afterall, they always drift all the time in both, the manga and anime.

They don't drift all the time at least not as much as 1st stage. They race in drift and grip, but mostly grip now in 4th stage. It would make sense to drive grip since that is the faster and more efficient driving style.

Are you sure? Are you talking about in anime or in Manga? Because, I have see/read both anime and manga and in manga, they haven't change the style: Dori-Guri (Dori-Guri: go into the corner drifting, getting out of the corner gripping). And I kind of see what you mean in anime that you see a lot of pointless drifting in 1st stage of anime, while 4th stage is more Dori-Guri. But I think, it's just computer technology caught up and graphic just got better...

Evo VI vs 86 was almost all grip race. S2K vs 86 was more of drift race. If you check really carefuly you still can see that they're still drifting (they just got better at it).


.....I think, I'll stop for now.... Zzzzzz

ichitaka05

Are you sure? Are you talking about in anime or in Manga? Because, I have see/read both anime and manga and in manga, they haven't change the style: Dori-Guri (Dori-Guri: go into the corner drifting, getting out of the corner gripping). And I kind of see what you mean in anime that you see a lot of pointless drifting in 1st stage of anime, while 4th stage is more Dori-Guri. But I think, it's just computer technology caught up and graphic just got better...

Evo VI vs 86 was almost all grip race. S2K vs 86 was more of drift race. If you check really carefuly you still can see that they're still drifting (they just got better at it).


.....I think, I'll stop for now.... Zzzzzz

I'm talking about the Anime and I was assuming both the Anime and Manga were the same. Joushima doesn't drift, Takumi was the one drifting and got his ass handed to him. The Anime seems to misinform people about the style of drifting because they make it seem like it is as fast as grip. Look at the Kyoichi and Nakazato battles in 1st Stage as well as the recent one like Joushima battle. Somehow Takumi can keep up with them even though he is drifting and they are gripping, which is BS because it is known that drift is slow and inefficient when it comes to tire wear compared to grip. The Drift King himself says "I drift not because it is a quicker way around a corner, but it is the most exciting way". So even if they are drifting into the corner it is still slow compared to grip.

Man, you talked like Nakazato who does grip race all the way.
And I'll talked like Ryosuke Takahashi, 'Drifting isn't just about attacking a corner, but it's just like a kind of art.'
And you have to remember that Initial D takes places on the mountain roads. Drifting is just the fastest way to pass the mountain roads, and grip is more suitable for circuit races.

If you confused between grip and drift, whether in anime or manga. I think it's just a problem of Graphic, I mean you have a limited sight in manga, while you can have better sights in anime (and you have to remember that the graphic and design quality between 1st stage, 2nd stage and the other stages is different).

ToegaY-kUn

Man, you talked like Nakazato who does grip race all the way.
And I'll talked like Ryosuke Takahashi, 'Drifting isn't just about attacking a corner, but it's just like a kind of art.'
And you have to remember that Initial D takes places on the mountain roads. Drifting is just the fastest way to pass the mountain roads, and grip is more suitable for circuit races.

If you confused between grip and drift, whether in anime or manga. I think it's just a problem of Graphic, I mean you have a limited sight in manga, while you can have better sights in anime (and you have to remember that the graphic and design quality between 1st stage, 2nd stage and the other stages is different).

I never said it wasn't an art and it does take skill to initiate a drift as well as control it. The fact is grip is faster then drift around any corner and like the Drift King himself said drifting doesn't get you around a corner faster, but it just looks cooler. There are real life tracks that are quite technical and comparable to mountain passes. So it doesn't really matter how the track is because grip is much faster then drift. I only watched the Anime and you can clearly tell what is drift and grip.

AnimePaul

I'm talking about the Anime and I was assuming both the Anime and Manga were the same. Joushima doesn't drift, Takumi was the one drifting and got his ass handed to him. The Anime seems to misinform people about the style of drifting because they make it seem like it is as fast as grip. Look at the Kyoichi and Nakazato battles in 1st Stage as well as the recent one like Joushima battle. Somehow Takumi can keep up with them even though he is drifting and they are gripping, which is BS because it is known that drift is slow and inefficient when it comes to tire wear compared to grip. The Drift King himself says "I drift not because it is a quicker way around a corner, but it is the most exciting way". So even if they are drifting into the corner it is still slow compared to grip.

LOL, Joushima is drifting. Technical term is he perform an ideal drift. Hoshino even said that, "he can limit countersteer and perform an ideal drift, conserving his tires while still gaining speed on corners. The overall theory for the one handed driving is that in doing so one is able to choose easily between the infinite driving lines possible in a race. Joshima spent all of his recent years trying to find out the limits of the technique." (or something like that)

And true Keiichi himself said that "Drifting isn't the fastest way" (Drift Bible), but he also said that "You have to understand, where is the best place to drift into the corner and when is the best place to grip through the corner. You can not get best lap time drifting whole time or gripping whole time." (Best Motoring & Drift Tengoku). And if I'm correct, in mid '80s using AE86, he drift every corner and still won the race (that's how he got the name Drift King)..

Over all, I get what you mean... But in Drift World is a lot deeper than you think (even me).

AnimePaul

I never said it wasn't an art and it does take skill to initiate a drift as well as control it. The fact is grip is faster then drift around any corner and like the Drift King himself said drifting doesn't get you around a corner faster, but it just looks cooler. There are real life tracks that are quite technical and comparable to mountain passes. So it doesn't really matter how the track is because grip is much faster then drift. I only watched the Anime and you can clearly tell what is drift and grip.

Now, now... Well, to the certain level, there is difference in Track and Touge. Maybe, I haven't been to all the different track or touge. I've been few Touge myself (both US & JP) and track (raced in US & been in JP track) one thing I notice in both is the quility of the road. All touge I've been isn't what you call smooth ride. You need little bit soft damper to keep from bouncing everywhere. In track was different, it's a lot more smoother (unless you go on the island). So you can set-up your suspension more harder than touge.

Other thing is, on coming traffic. I don't remember having on coming traffic on the track? Well sometimes I race in touge (not too much anymore... Gas price is going up!), but one thing I can not get use to is go into another lane. Specially in US touge, people won't close the road for you. And true, some times in JP touge drift maniac close the road, but it's not always the case. In other hand track... What on coming traffic? only traffic you get is slow front car or fast car coming from rear.

I beleive that, touge and track, those two are different. They maybe close to each other in how they fourm, but in mental state you're in is different. How you drive is different.