The world is really going crazy !
I don't understand how these people think !
Just because of 2 soldiers retained, they started bombing civils and killing innocent lebanese people !
The worst thing is that the US are calling this "a self-defense"!How can a reasonable person believe this ?

I think that the Middle East and Africa should just be left alone to tear themselves apart.

Ryuu

I think that the Middle East and Africa should just be left alone to tear themselves apart.

I agree with Ryuu: they have dirrerent traditions, religion, point of view...they have their own culture and they have to solve their problems on their own, if they need some help they just need to ask but I think that the "western countries" the "civilized countries" shouldn't fight with them because their just "helping them"...I don't believe them when they go like "we're bringing peace, democracy and civilization"

Ahhh the way things are going, it'll probably be hard to travel and not worry about getting killed 'cause you're from the U.S.

We tried to keep the Arabs and Isreali's apart and as far as I remember too many good British troops lost their lives trying to do the impossible for the ungrateful.

They're as bad as each other so let them break off steam because this is what its all about. The two sides (Israel and Hezbollah) haven't had a good ruck for ages so now they're trying to get as many punches in as possible before the US and Russia step in to break up the fight.

Why do they always have to fight. >.< Why cant people just get along? I mean what good is ever gonna come outta this anyway?

Religion and land. . . that's why we can't get along.

mewkiki

Why do they always have to fight. >.< Why cant people just get along? I mean what good is ever gonna come outta this anyway?

that's a good and dandy statement, but you have to remember that, to put it simply, that region has been fucked up the wazoo since the creation of the State of Isreal - by foriegn powers. Nothing's really ever been the same since that, so the fighting now draws back to forgein meddling way back in the Cold War. I wish they wouldn't fight either, but it's residual as far as I can see; just like so many other states that have been messed up by foreign powers both now and in the past.

fragola89

they have dirrerent traditions, religion, point of view...they have their own culture and they have to solve their problems on their own

I agree with the fact that they have to solve their problems on their own...

The fact that the US stepped in does not mean that they were asked to do so... it simply means that the US have interest on the region... same thing happened before in different parts of the world generally, and in the Middle East in particular... The fact that they are supporting Israel does not mean that Israel is right, it just means that Israel gave something in exchange for the support they are receiving !

Ryuu

Religion and land. . . that's why we can't get along.

The fight between Israel and Arabs is not about religion, it is about land !! Don't mix Arabs and Muslims. When we say Arabs, we refer to Christians too who are Arabs and even some Jewish people. In the case of Israel it is not about them being Jewish, it is about them taking lands that are not theirs I think.

shiningdays

that's a good and dandy statement, but you have to remember that, to put it simply, that region has been fucked up the wazoo since the creation of the State of Isreal - by foriegn powers. Nothing's really ever been the same since that, so the fighting now draws back to forgein meddling way back in the Cold War. I wish they wouldn't fight either, but it's residual as far as I can see; just like so many other states that have been messed up by foreign powers both now and in the past.

As long as I know, the creation of Israel has always been the dream of some Jewish people. Foreign states just gave them the opportunity to realize that by giving them the permission to introduce themselves into Jerusalem and get established there... and those foreign states did this only because they had interest on that again...

I like how Israel has a way of getting thinngs whenever it's necessary.. They have pretty big balls trying to stay where there are and for that I commend them. Inversely I sometimes think they really need to be checked but they've done "enough" good that they aren't quite the "bad guys"..bleh I know nothing anyway.. politics and war shit sucks anyway.

When it comes to Israel vs. the Arabs(not to put it like that but I like simplicity) it does physically come down to the land. I find my self saying who the heck do the Israelis think they are lobbing their modern weaponry at Muslims who obviously are not as thoroughly equipt(hence the stupid bomb belts and suicide bomber vests. On the other hand... I really can't blame Israel for anytihng at this point in time. They really just have to do what they have to do because they're asses are really on the line because of all this messy crap thats going on. If we had suicide bombings occuring back in the states(U.S) to the same degree as in Israel people would be shitting bricks and man would that screw up the economy. Israel handles it pretty well in consideration of all that. Plus I thought this "war on terror" was supposed to deal with terrorism from whece it came. In fact Israel is doing just that and as someone who lives fairly close to Manhattan I'm sort of pissed that those towers are gone.. I think they looked good. Held the skyling together quite well too. Though god forbid the very impulsiveness that comes from being pissed was applied to dealing a misdirected blow to terrorism things could never correct themselves. Though like I said... some might say the Israelis are being "a bunch of pushy jews"(yeah I said it... you know that if it wasn't for concerns of anti-semitism you'd be saying it too!) but like I said already they're they're handling it quite well considering that any form of negotioation may not yield much.

I'm sure within the next 50-100 years famine or apocolyptic war will take care of the situation in a "natural" way.

The whole "settlement" (if you can say that) of Palestine has to be one of the worst peices of British Foreign Policy since India.

The whole idea of playing one side (the American jewish community via Arthur Balfour, Foreign Secretary) against the other (the Palestinian arabs via Lawrence of Arabia) for short term gain during the Great War (WW1) was doomed to failure and lumped us with a peice of land in the Middle East that the UK didn't want and had to act as a reluctant peacekeeping force in order to balance both the Jewish and Arab communities.

It became even more complicated between 1945 and 1948 especially when you had jewish and arab extremists shooting British soldiers in the back for the mere fact that the British authorities wouldn't back one over the other. Some of the stuff pulled by the Stern Gang wouldn't be seen for another 20 years until the Troubles in Northern Ireland. The calculated and savage brutality in how these extremists went about their business of abducting, torturing and excecuting British soldiers was incredible. And all this was because these Soldiers were there to do nothing more than to keep the status quo and the peace. Nothing more, nothing less. What was more incredible was the sight of people who you had seen and liberated from Death camps like Belsen turn around and try to kill you.

My Grandad served in Palestine with 6 Airborne Division. As far as I remember he always spoke at legnth about Tunisia, Sicily and Arnhem, Greece and the Rhine and other operations he was in during WW2 but one thing he never spoke about was Palestine or about the freinds he lost there.

I don't blame him, I wouldn't have wished it on my worst enemy.

We're all screwed up in the head, that's why wars keep happening.

Besides wars are a very profitable business for the countries who gets the spoils.

I think the bigger question is that will there ever be a solution to this problem? Eventualy yes, but will there be one this century?

fragola89

Ryuu

I think that the Middle East and Africa should just be left alone to tear themselves apart.

I agree with Ryuu: they have dirrerent traditions, religion, point of view...they have their own culture and they have to solve their problems on their own, if they need some help they just need to ask but I think that the "western countries" the "civilized countries" shouldn't fight with them because their just "helping them"...I don't believe them when they go like "we're bringing peace, democracy and civilization"

besides, it's because of these "western civilizations" that they're like this in the first place. we dislocated people from palestine after ww2 (And also gave israelis hi tech weaponry)

Byakuya-Sama

As long as I know, the creation of Israel has always been the dream of some Jewish people. Foreign states just gave them the opportunity to realize that by giving them the permission to introduce themselves into Jerusalem and get established there... and those foreign states did this only because they had interest on that again...

The dream of the Isralei homeland has always been there, true, but It was Britain i believe who went to the UN and was like "yeah we'll back it if they wanna go create Isreal". That in itself is a fine and dandy proposition - but for the fact that there was people already living there. You can't just mandate land to someone if there's already stuff there, which was what the UN did when they created Isreal - but this is going a bit aside from the the Lebanon-Isreal situation currently, though Hezbollah does have Palestinian members. :O

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