Yesterday I saw the first part ... I think that 2 season will be more interesting...

So far season 2 is promising... very promising.

I have to say, I really do love how Zero just uses people...
And yes

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Rollo's geass only distorts other people's sense of time, and doesn't actually stop time itself. And yay for Lulu managing to mess around with Rollo's emotions. :3

Looking forward to episode 5.

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Mmmh. For me, Lulu's been hard to like as a protagonist ever since he shot Eufie. I was reminded of just how evil he was at the end of Ep4, (R2,) with his thoughts about Rolo. I mean, Rolo is emotionally unbalanced and amoral, but he also seems innocent. And yet here Lulu is saying he's going to kill Rolo ('use him until he's nothing but a dried up rag, and then discard him,' I believe the translation was,) after convincing him that their bond as brothers, while initially a lie, was not meaningless. Typically, Lulu was just making a nice, emotional speak that he himself didn't really believe. He seems to regard Nunnally's being replaced with Rolo as a personal insult, I guess, and wants to make Rolo suffer for it. Petty, hn.
Of course, the alternative to rooting for Lulu is rooting for Suzaku, and he's become a total ... ...

OMG season 2 is so much better than season 1 IMO, I just hope they don't end it the same way they did the first season

Lelouch is an awesome protagonist! hes evil but hes evil in a cool way. that and he reminds me a little of light from death note because of how ruthless and brilliant he is.

So evil he needs a bullet in his brain. I lost respect for Zero when he coopted Japanese independence for revenge. He basically let the Black Rebellion fail just to carry out his own personal vendetta, and he killed Euphie simply to cover for his own mistake and exploit her. I lost all respect for Lelouch the Douche at the end of Season 1, and now that Season 2 has started, he's already up to old tricks. I hope Suzaku kills him in a dramatic fashion come the end of R2, it would be only fitting.

Lelouch didn't kill Euphie just for his own good, she was going berserk and messing up everything he has worked for. It's matter of importance what he would do, and clearly it was Nunnally>Euphemia. His sister whom he started fighting for was kidnapped, so he had no choice but to try and get her back. Suzuka didn't care that Nunnally was captured by a ruthless dictator that can compare to Hitler, and guess who Suzuka is bowing down to now. Suzuka fails... No offense this is just my views on it all. I'm a Lulu fan who fights for independence and for the love of his sister, for his revenge on his deceased mother. Working inside out won't do anything, Suzuka is naive and left with only hatred.

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Lelouch didn't kill Euphie just for his own good, she was going berserk and messing up everything he has worked for. It's matter of importance what he would do, and clearly it was Nunnally>Euphemia.

Euphie going berserk was an accident, granted, but it still served Lulu's goals. She ordered the execution of all Japanese citizens, so when Zero pops up and kills her, he becomes even more of a savior in the eyes of the Japanese populace. (And Zero seems to operate via popularity.)

Also, Euphie's formation of the Japanese...zone..(Whatever it was called) did interfere with Zero's plans in terms of the rebellion, but as I said, he didn't intend to use the Geass on her. (But I won't defend his brain-dead choice of an example of how the Geass worked...he was just asking for something to go wrong with 'kill all Japanese'.) After the command was given, I don't think Lulu really wanted to kill Euphie, but he kind of had to, or else she would have kkept running amok like that. The fact that her rampage helped strengthen Zero's rebellion was just tragically ironic, not calculated.

Regarding your last sentence, I don't really see how Lulu's actions were based on a choice between Euphie and Nunnally. Nunnally was captured after Euphie was already dead..

Exactly. He could have simply shot her in the hallway. Instead, he lets her commit an atrocity just so he can show up and act the hero. He used her, and he's using the Black Knights as well. He could have led them to victory in the Black Rebellion. Instead, he went off on his own little vendetta against the rest of the Britannian Royal Family and rather than put someone in place to hold the whole thing together he simply let it fall apart. He let Euphemia commit an atrocity (a crime worse than killing her) and killed many members of the Japanese resistance to accomplish his desires for revenge, and the Black Knights are simply pawns to him as well - pieces to be sacrificed at the appropriate moment.

Suzaku, on the other hand, has proven that his methods work. He's one of the Empire's highest ranking Knights now, and if Lelouch the Douche hadn't screwed it all up, Euphemia's plan for peaceful integration would have worked.

His entire goal was for revenge and Nunnally, so letting a mistake like Euphemia being controlled killing japanese would have ruined it all. Although it would have been funny to see her kill Suzaku. I never said Nunnally being captured had anything to do with Euphie. What is Suzaku accomplishing in changing the world? What can he do except follow orders?

When Lelouch said "Kill all japanese" Was he looking at Euphemia with his geass knowingly on? Because then it was purposely intended for his benefit to exact his revenge and show up as a hero. It was proven he cared for her, but his resolution for creating a new world while having her run around killing every japanese person was not reasonable, considering he is fighting "for" the japanese.

And yes, I admit he uses them all as pawns, but I think thats obvious with how chess is associated in many episodes, and in the battle plans when Zero commands Black Knights to move. Euphies plan for peace for the japanese would have been foiled by her father, Cornelia or another family member since they have more power then she does.

Its interesting discussing it.. I've had thoughts about both the sides and made up my mind in the 2nd season with how Suzaku turned out. I think the anime has its own justices in it's fans, who they side with and what they think. Same goes with Death note, but I never really could pick a side there.

Nice... I ´ll be waithing for second season

Not at all. As I said, he made a mistake, but instead of fixing the mistake (killing Euphemia right there), he let her go out and kill hundreds of Japanese people trapped in a giant stadium, just so he could capitalize on the bloodletting to gain more political power. Those people's lives are on his head. His support of the Japanese is nothing more than an act: a means to an end. Their suffering allows him to build up his own private army with which to enact his revenge, nothing more.

As for claiming that Euphemia's plan would never work, what evidence do you have? Cornelia, Scheizel, all the high ranking familiy members gave her clearance to go ahead with her little project. If the Emperor hadn't okayed it, it never would have happened. Now, Suzaku is a high ranking knight as a reward for his loyalty, and someday, there will be a new Emperor, one more receptive to freedom. Who knows? Perhaps Suzaku will assassinate the current Emperor so that such an Emperor could come to the throne. Certainly, he is winning hearts & minds through his example.

The way Cornelia acted when Euphie first announced Japanese being citizens is enough if she were to live I think her plan would have been halted. But neither of us have proof if it would have worked or not because she died. Even if it was ok to some siblings the chances of them being emperor were still slim. Most of Brittiana spit on whatever race they have enslaved, they even kill their own people.

And it's funny, if you think about it after Euphie died Suzaku started acting very similar to Lelouch. Wanting revenge, throwing away people/ companions/ family for his own benefit of "changing the world inside out" Even going so far to kill his father, so I don't understand why he cared so much about Euphie and going berserk if he could kill off his father who it seemed like he was on good terms with, at least not as bad as Lelouch and his father. So whats the difference between Suzaku and Lelouch, they both kill and use people to get what they want.

There is no way he could of just shot her in the hallway after he accidentally ordered her to kill the Japanese, he was too shocked by what happened and he would have wanted to stop her without killing her because when he did finally shoot her he said, in his head, that she was probably his first love. He wanted to stop her from killing them without killing her. Because this is Lelouch were talking about, even though he messed up BIG time he manages to use it to his advantage. In the end its true that those deaths were his fault but he certainly didn't want them to die nor did he purposely do it, it was simply a mistake that he managed to use to his advantage. Its true that Lelouch uses people like chess pieces to achieve his own goals but the people he uses get something out of it, even Rollo will get something out of it before Lelouch ditches him(yes that is cruel but dont forget why Rollo was put there), he's using the Japanese because freeing japan is one of Lelouch's objectives as it gives him a foothold with which to attack the rest of Brittania. Also there is no way Suzaku will murder the emperor because that goes against his plan of changing it from the inside peacefully, although Suzaku has changed a fair bit and is acting a lot like Lelouch just as bijinsakura said he wont betray his beliefs. Suzaku will also never get the throne at all because he is not a true Brittanian and there are already princes and princesses ready to inherit the throne, personally i think Schneizel would get it. The new emperor could be more receptive to freedom but Suzaku and Lelouch don't want to wait that long for something that may not even happen.

So Lelouch is evil but so is Suzaku and yes Lelouch does use anything and everything useful, whether it be an object or a persons life, to further his goals but he believes that is the only way to achieve them just like how Suzaku believes that he should change Brittania from the inside by peaceful means rather through violence and underhanded tactics. I believe that in extreme circumstances the end can justify the means, and Lelouch's situation is an extreme one to say the least.

Really thats what this argument is all about, do you think the ends justifies the means?

This shows the worst side of a human. Yes, Lelouch used people to get to his goal, he tries to destroy Brittania, but what makes him diff from Suzaku is that he did not hide it. Suzaku killed his father, and yet he justify it as tryin to stop the war, thats alil naive, no offence to his fans. Then he joined the Brittania forces, and now he's a knight, a lil hypocrite don't you think?