kagetasan

suzaku may have had good ideals at first, but you don't do that to a person you call friend. it's kinda sick.

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but Zero killed Euphemia remember? Well I would get a little mad if I was Suzaku, I mean my best friend of life killed my almost-girlfriend xD I would be really really mad. And not only that, he also ordered her to kill all the japanese with his geass. ( though it was accidental it was a little it insane example). I´m not a Suzaku fan or anything, but I think he acts quite rational ( except when he killed his father xD).

bijinsakura

The way Cornelia acted when Euphie first announced Japanese being citizens is enough if she were to live I think her plan would have been halted.

Most of Brittiana spit on whatever race they have enslaved, they even kill their own people.

...Even going so far to kill his father...

kagetasan

suzaku may have had good ideals at first, but you don't do that to a person you call friend. it's kinda sick.

kagetasan

suzaku may have had good ideals at first, but you don't do that to a person you call friend. it's kinda sick.

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Before I go into anything I want to say that I hope Lulu didn't have Rollo kill Villeta, (he seemed to just be blackmailing her). I'm not sure why, but I like her even though she gut-shot Ohgi after ranting about how awesome he was in bed...

Moving onto what appears to be the latest debate in this thread: "Lulu vs Suzaku, who who's more evil, who's right, and who deserves to die?"
This show's characters are constantly presented with incredibly complicated moral choices...
Suzaku, well...

VORTIA

It resulted in the lowest amount of Bloodshed. The Japanese had already lost, and continuing to wage war foolishly would have only resulted in more deaths. Suzaku was trying to preserve lives, not his family's pride.

<--what he/she said, he killed his father, yes, but may saved many lives in doing so. Sounds almost barely ethical so far, I guess, (Incidentally, I've taken one ethics class, and I absolutely hated it). A large part of being a sovereign nation having the choice to fight and die defending your country's sovereignty, or to relinquish that sovereignty and submit to outside rule. Suzaku selfishly chose the latter for his entire country, and we all know how great they're doing now...
And in terms of what he did to Lulu at the end of season 1, well...I'm not sure if he knows that Euphie's death was the result of a brain-dead accident or not, and it probably doesn't matter either way to him because the outcome is still the same: she died because of Lulu, and from this perspective Suzaku does have a right to hate Lulu. The way I see it, Suzaku's choices in episode 25 were; to capture Lulu and sell him out to the emperor to further his own goals, kill Lulu for maybe the same result, allow him to rescue Nunnally and maybe let both of them go to ensure her safety. We now know that Nunnally is fine...and Lulu might have suffered a lot, but a least he lived -- So maybe Suzaku made a decent choice, and he even got a promotion out of it. (Um, yay.)
As for Lulu...(am I seriously still writing?)...everyone pretty much knows his deal. He's conniving, has killed a great many people, not all of them innocent, and he uses everyone like pawns to the point where even we as the audience aren't sure who he actually cares about. He does all of this to bring down some kind of vengeful fury upon his family and 'create a world where he and Nunnally can live in peace.' (lolk, great start Lulu.) Whether or not he's actually right in wanting revenge, his methods are right (no.) or even working, I couldn't even begin to argue one way or the other. I'm not even sure I think Lulu is sane anymore, actually.

Anyway, from the standpoint of where we currently are in the show, (ep. 5, R2) both Lulu and Suzaku are evil in their own respective ways. (Suzaku just got a bit more evil, in fact, using Nunnally as a test for Lulu. I'll bet Lulu will pretend not to know her…he doesn’t have any other choice...but it will still be incredibly sad.)

I don't know whose method for changing the world for the better will work in the end.


Oh, and…

bijinsakura

I never said Nunnally being captured had anything to do with Euphie.

I misinterpreted this quote, then.

bijinsakura

It's matter of importance what he would do, and clearly it was Nunnally>Euphemia.

Sorry.