For a 'BLEACH-aholic' member, you sure dont know much about Bleach, including the fact that Kenpachi has shikai.

cyberrob50

In my opinion, Zaraki has NO release as of yet.

Your opinion is nothing against all the facts that we have...

cyberrob50

Although, he may unconsciously had made a Getsuga Tenshou (although I am not sure about this fact at all) at that time, cutting the Gillian. Yet, I am sure that he made a reiatsu slash, as Kenpachi made one when he released his eyepatch for the first time (making a flat collapse).

WTF does this have to do to support your argument!?

cyberrob50

He doesn't have shikai since he does not even know the name of his zanpakuto as of now,

yet you said...

cyberrob50

but he may have triggered a shikai ability unconsciously.

Which would conclude he has shikai, contradicting urself. Our argument is based on the fact that he is a one of character who has forcefully attained shikai without knowing his zanpkautou's personas name. Your only fact is that you need to know the name, yet because you have stated you have read the manga, he is a one off character, anything taken literally doesnt apply... and as stated by ace07 previously...

Ace07

SO FAR I HAVE READ TRUSTWORTHY SOURCES THAT STATE THE FACT THAT ZARAKI KENPACHI HAS A RELEASED (SHIKAI) ZANPACTOU, BUT I HAVE NOT READ ANY SOURCES THAT STATE THAT ZARAKI DOES NOT HAVE A RELEASED ZANPACTOU.

cyberrob50

He may have a forced shikai, but I'm sure of one thing: he has no shikai ability seen so far

Yep, he has, and correct there is no evident shikai ability except for raw cutting power.

cyberrob50

So, basically, he didn't undergo the kidou knowledge exams, the swordsmanship ones as well as the "know your zanpakuto's name and shikai" one.

You dont know what exams there are, yet you name these false or fictional ones?

cyberrob50

Still, he was able to shunpo

Suprisingly you can learn that yourself, its only if you want to attain faster speeds that technique is involved, for example Kuchiki Byakuya learning faster shunpo techniques from the Shihouin clan.

Chinaman91, I'll ask you to take a deeeeep breath and to read between the lines.

1) Other people's opinions do count. That is why there are discussions.
2) You are misreading me.

I said that Ken-chan doesn't have shikai, yet he may have triggered an ability unconsciously. I am giving a comparison between him and Ichigo (before finding out the name of his zanpakuto) ;)

Elements used in the comparison:
- The fact that, as long as one guy doesn't know the name of his zanpakuto, he can't bring him to shikai. Period.
- But, fact is that Ichigo MAY have released a Getsuga Tenshou without even knowing the name of his zanpakuto, against that Gillian.

Thus, Kenpachi MAY have released a shikai ability at least once, or may release it unconsciously.

---- That was for my first post part, which you misread ;)

Now, for the Shinigami academy part, I assume that there are classes for kidou, since Rukia was from the best on Kidou classes.

What does this come to do with the present subject, you may ask? Kenpachi didn't undergo classes, thus (answering to Ace) unable to achieve any form of kidou.

For the fact that I'm a BLEACH-aholic, that's a rather offside remark. Also, I'll ask you to show me the NON-VAGUE remarks that say clearly that Ken-chan actually has shikai abilities/has shikai.

Furthermore, I would ask everyone to respect other people's opinion(s) without trolling; this is what a discussion/debate is about.

So cyberrob50 are you saying that Zaraki Kenpachi HAS OR DOES NOT have Shikai?

I think that cyberrob50 is trying to say that Zaraki has unconsciously trigger his shikai with his amazing spiritual energy but doesn't know any special ability yet since he doesn't know much about his zanpactou...........................................
BTW where is Roognok?!?!?!?!? LMAO

@ Suiryu: Thanks for explaining my terms in a less complicated language...

Sorry for making you confused Ace07 :s

suiryu/ interpretation of cyberrob50

cyberrob50 is trying to say that Zaraki has unconsciously trigger his shikai

Well if you know that, why dont you believe he has shikai!?

suiryu

BTW where is Roognok?!?!?!?!? LMAO

HAHAHA! Silence generally equals defeat, we did it summerssunset, suiryu, ace07 :)

OMG if he release his ... he would be like ... hmm he can be the captain of squad 1 xD

chinaman91

Well if you know that, why dont you believe he has shikai!?

Due to the fact that I compared Zaraki to Ichigo XD
For more information, here is the Manga page on which I base my arguments:

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/49/18/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/49/19/
.vs.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/113/06/

If Ichigo released Getsuga Tenshou by then (before even Byakuya and Renji came), then I agree with Kenpachi unconsciously releasing a shikai ability. But... As, in general, you HAVE to know the name of your zanpakuto in order to have SHIKAI, I don't think that Kenpachi is any exception.

I discussed about it on my msn with a pro-AlwaysInShikai-Kenpachi and we both ended asking each other if Zaraki was having shikai or not. Both our arguments led us to believe that Tite Kubo wants us to discuss about this mystery and that we can't tell.

Ok so both the Anime and the Manga state that Zaraki Kenpachi has a released Zanpactou (Shikai) but some people still find it really hard to accept it. I GIVE UP

I actually interpret the manga part only...

Well, I am rather confused about the fact that Zaraki may not know shikai/not use it.
And his speech is rather vague (when he states that his soul slayer has only one form - his true form), since a soul slayer's true form is its spiritual form (like Old man Zangetsu for Ichigo), not the blade which varies from sealed to Shikai/bankai forms.

Oh well... shikai it is in the end for me :)