Do you believe that there is such thing as coincidence or do you think that everything is inevitable? I really think that everthing is inevitable. I don't know why, but I just believe that everything is preset.

So, do you believe in coincidence or the inevitable?

Well, I think things are inevitable such as there are some people you have to meet in your life because ( I believe in karma ) we have some connection with that people in our past. There is something that we have to do with that people, to pay something, to do something, or the opposite of it, that people has some debt to you in the past and they have to pay it to use.
Yeah, something like that.

I don't believe its something we can ever know, even if some divine force told you it was one way or another, there would always be a glimmer of doubt that maybe they lied to you on purpose.

But we should live our lives believing we can choose our own destinies, to do otherwise would either cause bitterness toward the world in our fates or apathy toward trying to better ourselves.

The only things I believe it's inevitable is the basic need of our human body.All the other facts like meeting someone, succeed in something, see something that you should not, or anything else is coincidences to me and anyone that tells the opposite hears to my ears like he is talking about deja vu or something voodoo spells :).You are the one who create your destiny.Destiny can't create you!

In my opinion, everything that happens to us is already destined and bestowed upon us since we're born in this world. Everyone that appears in our life, it's fated and inevitable. But I can say that the fate itself is in our hands. We might face things that's inevitable but as long as we're still alive, we're the ones who choose what path we should follow =)

I believe in coincidental inevitibility!!!! NYAH! >.<

i look at my hand and i wonder, wtf started this sh1t..........

I do believe that things or events in this world and our lives are preset but i do not think that they are inevitable.

I believe that the preset things change according to our actions in regard to that 'preset' thing. For example: If a person is standing somewhere in the middle of a construction and something is about to fall on him and in the 'preset' thing it is said that he will be crushed but if the person moves away in time then he will not be crushed and so his preset thing will change according to that. (I hope you understand this as it is a bit vague!)

I think that everything is predecided but that predecided changes in accordance to our actions which happen during the course of time before the event. As we cannot see the future, we do not know what is written in our preset thing and we also do not know what we will actually do in that event. Therefore we think that it was a coincedence. But believe me: There is no such thing as 'coincedence', everything happens for a reason. And is always a result of another action/event which has happened before it.

It is definitely true: We do make our own destiny. But i believe the reality to be that we actually 'edit' our destiny. Our destiny is made as soon as we are born. But it is upto us to mould it into the way we want.
If everything was predecided or inevitable and we could not change it and our lives went according to that preset only, than we would never have had to do anything because everything would just keep going on automatically.

What are your thoughts about this? Don't you believe this to be true?

Warm regards,
The Firestorm.

FirestormII

For example: If a person is standing somewhere in the middle of a construction and something is about to fall on him and in the 'preset' thing it is said that he will be crushed but if the person moves away in time then he will not be crushed and so his preset thing will change according to that. (I hope you understand this as it is a bit vague!)

But what if that was an inevitability based on not preset forces, but rather determined choices from long ago? Let's say:

The reason the person was able to move away on time was because for the past 8 years, ever since he was a sophomore from High School, he'd been on the track team. Now the reason he was on the track team was because his mother persuaded him to join a team to help him stay off the streets and doing drugs...

The reason he was able to able to see the object fall on him in time was because a fly flew on his nose and as he tried to brush it away, it flew upwards, thus averting his attention from the ground to the air just in time. Now that fly landing on his nose for a brief second was not a coincidence, but the inevitable fact that after waking up at 5 AM that morning and hovering around a pile of sh*t, it searched for suitable places to lay its eggs, when it was suddenly chased by a bird for 3 hours, which it then outmaneuvered, but was blown away by the wind due to irregular gusts caused the the change in weather, caused by the ozone layer depleting- which is in fact caused by decades of pollution and hairspray cans, etc... Now as the gust of wind made it lose balance, it frantically searched for the closest place to land and regain control, which was the guy's nose.

SO... Coincidence? I think NOT. Inevitability caused by a non-predestined force? Maybe ^

Hmmm...I don't think that they're is a "set" path for our lives but there is a definite beginning and a definite end how we get there I think is up to us. Now I do believe that there is a mix between coincidence and predetermined. I think that there is an optimum road that we can travel or roads, where we may not have the greatest beginning or the happiest of times but in the end we are happy with our lives and that we will have no regrets. I also think that we decided what we do with our lives, we can choose to stray from that path, either on purpose or by accident but it is our decision. Now who has set that path, weather be God, Fate, or if you think I'm just blowing smoke out my butt, is up to you.

Anyway what that all was leading too is that there are many choices we can make, now if there is only one right choice or if there are a few right choices and so on, I think is kinda the difference between coincidence and predestine.

I'm going to have to go with "hitzuzen" (inevitability) on this one. There's something so universal, so unifying, some such underlying concept to all of life that it seems nearly impossible that everything could have happened by pure chance alone- trust me, chance and Lady Luck are quite harsh and unforgiving. Now there are things you can use to change what will happen. That is why I also believe in infinite alternate dimensions, each created branching out from every decision that is made (the short story Cascade Point by Timothy Zahn is a wonderful illustration of this, as well as being an enjoyable sci-fi read.). If you think about the concepts of inevitability and the infinite alternate dimensions together, each alternate dimension is bound by the inevitability that stems from every possible course of action.

I could go into how this proves / disproves the presence of a God, but that's a discussion for another time, methinks.

puppychow16

But what if that was an inevitability based on not preset forces, but rather determined choices from long ago? Let's say:

The reason the person was able to move away on time was because for the past 8 years, ever since he was a sophomore from High School, he'd been on the track team. Now the reason he was on the track team was because his mother persuaded him to join a team to help him stay off the streets and doing drugs...

The reason he was able to able to see the object fall on him in time was because a fly flew on his nose and as he tried to brush it away, it flew upwards, thus averting his attention from the ground to the air just in time. Now that fly landing on his nose for a brief second was not a coincidence, but the inevitable fact that after waking up at 5 AM that morning and hovering around a pile of sh*t, it searched for suitable places to lay its eggs, when it was suddenly chased by a bird for 3 hours, which it then outmaneuvered, but was blown away by the wind due to irregular gusts caused the the change in weather, caused by the ozone layer depleting- which is in fact caused by decades of pollution and hairspray cans, etc... Now as the gust of wind made it lose balance, it frantically searched for the closest place to land and regain control, which was the guy's nose.

SO... Coincidence? I think NOT. Inevitability caused by a non-predestined force? Maybe ^

Yes,yes my turn now.. What if that person sees that something, dodge it because he has spider reflexes and then , when he sees it from another angle he realises that it is followed by a huge comet heading to earth...man no harm but you have great fantasy and inevitability is something that doesn't use fantasy.According to your theory everything that happens around us is writen in a big big book writen by a greater force.

Well I believe that this may be like that theory of the half-full glass of water or half-empty glass of water.
Everyone can see it as he understands it better. The only thing about inevitability,I can accept is that non-living things destiny is pre-destined cause they have no brain or will to change something.They just stand there and wait someone to use them(that's their purpose of creation) but Us the humans or the animals that have actually a thinging brain, CREATE our destiny.Who knows ? The human brain is not explored fully yet.Maybe one of it's hidden abilities is to trasform the destiny as it easiest for it to survive.Maybe every bad and good thing that happens to you is created by your self-school to teach you something.

Noone knows....

puppychow16

FirestormII

For example: If a person is standing somewhere in the middle of a construction and something is about to fall on him and in the 'preset' thing it is said that he will be crushed but if the person moves away in time then he will not be crushed and so his preset thing will change according to that. (I hope you understand this as it is a bit vague!)

But what if that was an inevitability based on not preset forces, but rather determined choices from long ago? Let's say:

The reason the person was able to move away on time was because for the past 8 years, ever since he was a sophomore from High School, he'd been on the track team. Now the reason he was on the track team was because his mother persuaded him to join a team to help him stay off the streets and doing drugs...

The reason he was able to able to see the object fall on him in time was because a fly flew on his nose and as he tried to brush it away, it flew upwards, thus averting his attention from the ground to the air just in time. Now that fly landing on his nose for a brief second was not a coincidence, but the inevitable fact that after waking up at 5 AM that morning and hovering around a pile of sh*t, it searched for suitable places to lay its eggs, when it was suddenly chased by a bird for 3 hours, which it then outmaneuvered, but was blown away by the wind due to irregular gusts caused the the change in weather, caused by the ozone layer depleting- which is in fact caused by decades of pollution and hairspray cans, etc... Now as the gust of wind made it lose balance, it frantically searched for the closest place to land and regain control, which was the guy's nose.

SO... Coincidence? I think NOT. Inevitability caused by a non-predestined force? Maybe ^

Wow! You have a very imaginative mind!!

Anyways...

I never said that it was coincedence. What i was trying to explain is that what happens next happens on the basis of our actions prior to the 'event'. The guy was not crushed because he moved, whether because of a fly or wind or stomach ache or UFO or shadows or whatever. That is besides the point.
I said that it was predecided that something was to fall on that person at that time, but he 'edited' his destiny by moving away.
But if he would have not moved he would have had been definitely crushed, so therefore it all depends on our actions prior to the events that we obviously do not know of.
You can never say it as coincidence as whatever happens is a result of what we do. Nothing ever 'just happens'. There are always multiple possibilities in a situation. Or atleast two. Either this or that.

In this case either he moves or he dies.

But as we do not know what was 'supposed' to happen and what will happen, in the case of his being crushed we say "Maybe it was bound to happen/Fate etc...." and in the case of his surviving we say "Lucky coincedence"

Only if we would be able to see into the future we would be able to give a definite answer to this question.

But for now, i beleive that there is no such thing as coincedence and everything that happens is a result of our actions in accordance to that event.

But i could be wrong............
And please do correct me if i have made a mistake here or if you think i am not correct.

Warm regards,
The Firestorm.

Both are real and both affect our lives. both are a matter of perspective. how do you decide what is only coincidence/random chance and what is fate (the word inevitable is inappropiate here). it is very much like proving the existence of god. if a tree were to fall on your car, who truly has the ability to percieve whether or not it was just random chance that a lightning bolt hit the tree and toppled it onto your car or some predestined event. while my first answer would be no it was chance, i cannot in good conscience think my opinion to be absolute.

truth is, whether fate or random chance, the events that take place might as well be completely random to us and certainly seem that way.

I think that all is inevitable, things will happen with you or anyone else, at any time and place, it don't need a human to be there and it will happen anyway, you being right at the point were a lighting will strike is inevitable, because you are there for a reason, you could be going to the bakery and be hit by the lighting, or if you don't wanna bread or something in the bakery, you would not be striked but the lighting will fall anyway.

it's a matter of action and reaction, nothing is coincidence, everything happens for a reason.

My family has a bit of an inherited bloodline trait. We are able to sometimes see the future in our dreams. Call me a liar if you want; ain't gonna change a thing.

I've come to learn that our destiny is preset.
Do I believe destiny can be changed? Yes I do.
Doesn't that clash against what I've previously stated? Yes it does, ...if you misinterpret me.

Though our destiny is preset (ahead of time!), I believe factors such as karma and our actions play a vital role in what is preset next. Sorta like a railroad currently being built while a train is traveling on it. Though how near or far ahead its being built seems to vary.


I've had that much down for awhile. My current focus:
How does fate operate?
Why does it operate?
Is there someone operating it?
For what purpose?