Apple?

~TheMadManAzn

Sat, 03 May 2008 22:46:29 -0400

Hmm.
Here my quick personal opinion (MY OPINION, so if you disagree thats fine, thats YOUR OPINION).

1. Why i like Windows: I am a gamer so I perfer Windows. I have used windows for a long time (although Mac OS was my first computer like 15 years ago). If you plan on gaming, I would definately go Windows, if Vista is pissing you off, just get XP. many programs are offered for Windows.

2. Why I dislike Mac OS: For me, it seems to cover up things. I like being able to specify certain things and if you are new to Mac OS, those things may be hard to figure out how to specify. I have heard many people toss the word "user friendly" which Mac OS. I am not sure what you mean, I find Windows very user friendly, everything is layed out for you to see. I guess if user friendly means bubblely buttons and many useful features hidden from the user (of simply difficult to access) I guess Mac OS is "userfriendly," but I personally prefer to think of it as more like "idiot proof". Again, many of my feelings for Mac OS are prolly from me not being use to it. But that leads to my last point...

3. I personally see no reason to get a Mac OS running machine (especially if you are use to Windows) unless you need some set of specific software suite that is only offered to Mac OS. Windows seems to be more flexable and useful to me.

4. Lastly, I don't like the image Mac puts forward. Like a previous poster mentioned, I really hate their commercials because it is really quite ignorant.

~DeepDragoon

Sat, 03 May 2008 16:24:49 -0400

Milly-Bomb
I don't have Tiger anymore but I thought that stupid limitation was taken away when I they released the update 7.1 or 7.4.

Just looked it up, and it looks like you are correct, the stupid restriction was supposedly removed in version 7.2.

~Milly-Bomb

Sat, 03 May 2008 14:52:44 -0400

[quote=DeepDragoon]
[quote=Spudsy2061]

Though if you don't have Leopard you have to pay for Quicktime Pro to get fullscreen support in Quicktime... which to put it mildly seems a bit greedy.

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I don't have Tiger anymore but I thought that stupid limitation was taken away when I they released the update 7.1 or 7.4.

~DeepDragoon

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:32:13 -0400

Kalico
Azureus is a pain in the ass anyways, and miro is much better. It keeps my files in order, runs torrents, and does a large variety of codecs for playback.

I never got on with Miro myself, though I prefer to have a lightweight bittorrent client and use iTunes for organising and playing all my videos along with front row. Also I torrent a lot of Linux distros and patches. For those reasons I prefer Transmission.

I agree that with you that Azureus is a pain in the ass.

^Kalico

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:13:47 -0400

lolxman
Apple always portray itself being able to read foreign languages( and Microsoft cant) and draw( and Microsoft also can't), all the crap bullshit despite the fact the there are such thing call Adobe Photoshop thats works in Window and designers using PC outnumbers those using Macs.

Actually, any freelance Graphic Designers or Graphic Design houses use a mac. It's the industry standard, and adobe makes for mac first. Also, Apple attacks Microsoft "out of the box". Obviously you can install programs later, but the average person will not be paying the $1000 for the adobe creative suite. The point is, out of the box, apple is "more fun" because you can make movies easily, make some music, etc. The windows programs for that are awful. i tried to use pinnacle once, and almost threw the damn thing out the window.

spudsy
A few? Try a lot. I couldn't run AVG, Winamp, X-Fire, any of my games (yes I understand Macs aren't for games don't give me that counter-argument, I agree, you aren't gaming on a Mac), Maya, Diskkeeper, Alcohol, and Azuerus.

Are you on crack? I have both Maya and Azureus on my macpro. I also have them on my Titanium, and that is only running panther with a 1GHz processor and 512 RAM. The computer is 6 years old, and it runs Maya 7 beautifully. It also renders out WITH raytracing faster than the HP machines in my college. Maya has worked on macs for a LONG time. Azureus is a pain in the ass anyways, and miro is much better. It keeps my files in order, runs torrents, and does a large variety of codecs for playback. By the way, I also have several games installed on my machine. No, the library is not as great as it is on a PC, but you can still have them. Besides, the number of games coming out for the mac increases as more people buy them.

I don't really care about a companies ethics anymore, since they are all underhanded in one form or another. Bill Gates worked for Apple, learned and stole portions of the OS and ran off to form Microsoft. I think thats pretty greedy myself. I respect Steve Jobs more than Gates purely for the amount he funds artistic companies, like..oh, I don't know...PIXAR? I'm an animator, so anyone who supports my artform is okay in my book. But if you actually let how a company runs itself get in the way of enjoying something, you won't be enjoying very much. They're all businesses.

~DeepDragoon

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:25:52 -0400

Spudsy2061

I took Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni on the Mac to work this weekend only to find out that the Mac had no Codecs for it and VLC couldn't play it because of such. Then after an hour's search, I couldn't find any Codecs for a Mac and wound up watching baseball then the NCAA tourney. I was so bored for like 4 of the 8 hours before I turned on baseball.

Do you know what format the video was in?

That's quite an unusual situation as VLC uses it's own inbuilt decoders which handle quite a broad range of formats. Although I don't think it will cope with RealMedia files. You should be able to see what format it's in using VLC if you go to Window > Information > Advanced Information > Stream #.

If you haven't already tried Perian and Flip4Mac, these will allow Quicktime to playback most common formats including soft subtitles.

~Deaded

Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:07:14 -0400

I have a G5, they don't make them anymore, so you can't use bootcamp to do dual OS. It's really good and very userfriendly. The advance stuff i do with PC is a little more trickier on the Mac. I love the mac for the photo and media capabilties, though. Go get it, and when you get tired of it install Vista on it with a small partition.

~Spudsy2061

Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:55:35 -0400

DeepDragon
As your Mac is from the OS 9 days it will not be able to run Windows either dual booted or virtualised, so yeah it can't run Windows programs.

Which is so annoying. Work is spent watching anime and old wrestling matches like ECW One Night Stand 06: Rob Van Dam vs. John Cena. I'm gonna bring Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni into work this Saturday though, that'd a be fun, especially after freakin watching Saikano again.

~DeepDragoon

Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:02:29 -0400

Spudsy2061
Agreed, this is why I have VLC as the .dmg on that thing and it's so old it's a Mac OS IX running Mac OS X.

Yeah I used to use VLC before the Perian codec pack came out.
I prefer using Quicktime with Perian now, as I find it tends to handle subtitles better than VLC (placement and formatting), though I still have a copy of VLC to play back a few files that Quicktime with Perian and Flip4Mac can't handle.

Though if you don't have Leopard you have to pay for Quicktime Pro to get fullscreen support in Quicktime... which to put it mildly seems a bit greedy.

As your Mac is from the OS 9 days it will not be able to run Windows either dual booted or virtualised, so yeah it can't run Windows programs.

~Spudsy2061

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:26:26 -0400

Deep
I find though it's better to just find applications that are native to the OS (this goes for any OS).

Agreed, this is why I have VLC as the .dmg on that thing and it's so old it's a Mac OS IX running Mac OS X.

$evilmaniac

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:52:16 -0400

A very interesting article about MAC being hacked in 2 minutes in a contest vs. Linux & Windows

http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20080327/tc_infoworld/96676
http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20080331/tc_infoworld/96823;_ylt=Am8cH0Dxzpe_5qaIq6mV.mi73MMF

~DeepDragoon

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:16:14 -0400

Spudsy2061
Touche my good friend. I understand that there is the ability to run windows based OS programs. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I've seen it done before with Windows being ran through OS X and then the programs, but I wonder how much processing that would chew up and to my guess it would be a significantly high amount, although I'd be very curious to see if I could be proven wrong. My previous speculation that Macs could not run the mentioned programs was the fact that none of the sites had a Mac OS X .dmg for it which was my reasoning to sticking to the very common .exe. This is why the Mac at my work place can never seem to run Winamp and I have to use the god awful iTunes for internet radio instead and that's like trying to ride a camel that suffers from back spasms through the desert. VLC is nice in that you can still get the Mac OS X download of it, which thankfully still makes it possible to watch anime on it. Anyway the point is I'm wondering how much processing power you're using doing that.

It depends what you would call a significantly high amount, processing power wise VMware running Windows with those apps open is currently using around 10%, it's not emulating so the processing overhead isn't huge. However it does take a fair amount of RAM, and is currently using close to 1GB as it's running a full copy of Windows in the background.

You can dual boot though, then Windows will run exactly the same as it runs on any other PC.

If your work machine is one of the older PowerPC based Mac's then you wont be able to run Windows based programs that well as it will be emulating rather than virtualised.

I find though it's better to just find applications that are native to the OS (this goes for any OS). So instead of Xfire I use a plugin for Adium, for video watching I use Quicktime with the Flip4Mac and Perian codec packs etc...

$evilmaniac

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:03:19 -0400

Theoratically speaking any ASM virus coded for a PC under an Intel processor should work on a MAC, personally I dont care about mac or PC, I just hate the massive arrogance (and ignorance) alot of MAC users may display about how "invincible" they believe their system may be (I cant even begin to think how quickly Apple will run out of business if all the coders that exist under Windows switch to MAC over night). Also, you can not compare a MAC with companies as lowly as HP, or Dell in terms of hardware (or any of those trashy companies who refuse to look at quality, judging from all the cheap custom made hardware they like to use, if you wish to compare a PC with an Apple, then compare them in terms of equal quality, neglecting price, since it should be considered a dependant varible in regards to quality which may be summed in results later on) I do know though that a professionaly built PC, with the propper tweaks will with no doubt run faster than a MAC especially with all the available hardware and how easy it is to get (some PC hardware sellers have warranties that even cover physical damage done to the unit during personal hard modding).

Also, coding is more "open" under a Windows system, the information available is un-imaginable, let alone the fact that Microsoft does run the worlds largest software development networks known as the MSDN, releasing immense information for programmers world wide to utilize all the available services in Windows;

All in all, I dislike Apple (and DirectX10 owns all, kthxbai).

~Spudsy2061

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:43:05 -0400

Touche my good friend. I understand that there is the ability to run windows based OS programs. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I've seen it done before with Windows being ran through OS X and then the programs, but I wonder how much processing that would chew up and to my guess it would be a significantly high amount, although I'd be very curious to see if I could be proven wrong. My previous speculation that Macs could not run the mentioned programs was the fact that none of the sites had a Mac OS X .dmg for it which was my reasoning to sticking to the very common .exe. This is why the Mac at my work place can never seem to run Winamp and I have to use the god awful iTunes for internet radio instead and that's like trying to ride a camel that suffers from back spasms through the desert. VLC is nice in that you can still get the Mac OS X download of it, which thankfully still makes it possible to watch anime on it. Anyway the point is I'm wondering how much processing power you're using doing that.

~DeepDragoon

Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:22:29 -0400

Spudsy2061
A few? Try a lot. I couldn't run AVG, Winamp, X-Fire, any of my games (yes I understand Macs aren't for games don't give me that counter-argument, I agree, you aren't gaming on a Mac), Maya, Diskkeeper, Alcohol, and Azuerus.

Below is a picture of my Mac running a couple of the programs you mentioned.

SPOILER (click to view)
OS X is the host OS running. However those are Windows programs running under Windows Server 2003 Enterprise, hence why I can't run AVG or the trial of Diskkeeper as Windows Server isn't supported. Windows is running under VMWare Fusion with Unity switched on. Nearly any program will work like this including older games, to run newer games you have to dual boot.

ps Azureus will run under Windows, OS X and Linux.

~Spudsy2061

Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:23:44 -0400

Three
If your getting a mac just want to let you know that a few programs don't work on macs so thats kind a downfall about macs but overal they are equaly or better than windows depends on the person.

A few? Try a lot. I couldn't run AVG, Winamp, X-Fire, any of my games (yes I understand Macs aren't for games don't give me that counter-argument, I agree, you aren't gaming on a Mac), Maya, Diskkeeper, Alcohol, and Azuerus.