Gundam SEED, 00, and Remakes

~satoushigeki

Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:38:12 -0500

Yeah different stories,such as gundam w, gundam x, gundam see, and gundam 00.
but the gundam world is from one source "ONE YEAR WAR"

~slcss2006

Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:57:42 -0500

Actually, these Gundams are come from different histories, so there is no relationships between them.

~satoushigeki

Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:42:50 -0500

^ no, gundam wing obviously, especially gundam w endless waltz ,sequel of gundam W TV series yeah more realistic

~lkc0307

Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:31:06 -0500

I think g gundam is the best

~Pretz

Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:50:31 -0500

Using the term "remake" is a bit misleading. Remaking would involve re-creating something with the same content, like haruhis2kyon said.

Gundam Seed was an alright series for me. It had its ups and downs and similarities to the old series. Now when I think about it, the Destroy's shell mode looks like Big Zam. I haven't watched 0079 so that's as far as I know.

Gundam 00 is a rather interesting series. You can see some kind of relation in 00 to the modern world. I can see the relation between Setsuna and Heero, but besides that, I'm probably not picking up many similarities in this series. I was never a really big fan of Gundam Wing.

~Guest82

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:54:52 -0500

Well in terms of similarities, in all the gundam shows I've seen, there is always a masked antagonist as well as upgrade gundams for all hahaha.

~pokermon919

Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:15:19 -0500

Not similar to me, I can see how some people would think that but its really quite different stuff.

~Rey-Asuka

Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:29:12 -0500

They're not remakes,a remake for example is kanon 2002 and kanon 2006.
both shows are comparable with past series,(though I've yet to watch 00.)

I liked seed and seed destiny a lot,any news if they're gonna make a 3rd installment for the cosmic era?

$alvari

Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:08:57 -0500

Carl Kimlinger of ANN went so far as to say that 00 is a remake of Gundam Wing, in a similar fashion to the way Seed reinvented the basic premise, cast, and plot elements of the original 1979 Mobile Suit Gundam. If this was true, then maybe there was hope yet for a post-Endless Waltz world. Encouraged, I reluctantly broke out my dusty install of uTorrent and investigated the series, courtesy of fansub group Conclave-Mendoi. Here are my thoughts.

It's 2307 AD, and naughty mankind has burned up all the Earth's fossil fuel. To avoid major frostbite and the general collapse of civilization, the superpowers of the world have consolidated their power into blocs and constructed 'elevators' - basically fantastically tall spires that extend into space and collect solar energy. Alliances and treaties have formed around these elevators, and eventually three major factions have risen to power: the Union of Free Nations (USA), the European Union (duh), and the Human Reform League (Asia). These factions are now struggling with each other over control of the lifeline elevators and therefore world power. In the middle of all this chaos and destruction arises the Celestial Being, a fourth party dedicated to the elimation of war and the establishment of world peace by use of force. They are, in essence, peacekeepers who go around in four hyper-powerful Mobile Suits called...wait for it...Gundams, disabling or killing any army that puts its toe on the battlefield.

Piloting the Gundams are the laughably-named 'Gundam Meisters', the main protagonists of the series and the 00 equivalents to Wing's Heero, Wufei, Trowa, Duo, and Quatre. These Gundam Meisters (Setsuna Seiei, Lockon Stratos, Hallelujah Haptism, and Tieria Erde) and their simultaneously self-sacrificing, arrogant, and angsty exploits form the core of the series. The peripheral cast involves a lot of other Japanese names that wouldn't mean much to you, but in general these characters are of the military/political bend, either caught up in the events of the story or secretly orchestrating them from behind closed doors. Think Treize, Gundam Scientists, and Relena, and you'll get the idea.

At first blush the setup is indeed very similar. You've got an unaffiliated team of pilots flying custom Gundams against a host of factions and their mass-produced grunts. The pilots are dedicated, serious, and take no names in their struggle for peace. Their machines are ridiculously overpowered compared to the enemy forces, and each pilot has a distinctive combat approach. Most of the characters are intelligent, with lofty ideals and eloquent speech patterns. The comparison fails when you try to find 1-to-1 matches for each character, but overall there are far, far too many coincidences to ignore. Gundam 00 may not be a remake of Gundam Wing, but it is an updated take on the plot, dynamics, characters, and presentation. In short, you will feel strangely at home with this series if you were a Gundam Wing fan back in the day.

But in a lot of ways, Gundam 00 'rectifies the mistakes' of Gundam Wing.

Instantly noticeable is the animation. Not only is 00 done in full HD, it also sports the gorgeous, 100% fresh animation that made Endless Waltz such a joy to watch. Both Wing and the more recent Seed suffered from a mind-numbing amount of recycled shots. Seriously, how many times did Heavyarms shoot in the same patterns with its arm and chest guns? How many times did Murrue Ramius' breasts bounce all over the place when the Archangel got hit? At times, combat scenes in both of these series felt like random stock footage with no meaning whatsoever. Gundam 00 bucks this trend and painstakingly animates each and every shot, beam saber strike, grapple, and collision. In a lot of ways this is to be expected, since the series follows Wing by over ten years, but hey - Seed was just as lazy. It does my animation heart good to see Sunrise actually working hard for once.

Secondly (although we'll have to wait and see if this holds up in the dub; I hope it does), the writing in 00 is leagues ahead of Wing's dawdling, confusing monologuing. It's still nowhere near as concise and snazzy as, say, Cowboy Bebop, but most of the prententious rambling is gone. Unfortunately the tightened script also leaves behind most of the philosophical exposition that Gundam Wing is (in?)famous for. The end result is something in between Wing's loftiness and Seed's mundane drivel. (It's worth noting that while the cast of 00 is nowhere near as self-obsessed and spineless as Seed's, the main character Setsuna Seiei is still very emotional and prone to tiresome introspection. My guess is that this aspect is part of the 'modern' facelift. Oh, those angsty teenagers of the new millenium...)

Really, though the truth about Gundam 00 is that it really is its own show. Although it's convenient to tie it to Wing, as you watch the series it feels less and less like Wing and more like...well, the best Gundam series *since* Wing. Gundam Wing might have laid the foundation for this latest iteration with its maturity, gravity, and grand scope, but 00 has its own style, its own approach, and in the end its own merit to thank for its quality. Hopefully that quality will make Toonami take notice. I think there's a good chance of this one hitting our beloved block - Seed did fairly well under the circumstances back in '04, after all. Who knows? This might be the long-awaited savior that can buoy Toonami back to weekday dominance, just as Gundam Wing helped initiate the first takeover back in 2000. Think about it: Happy Meals, action figures, model kits all over the place; Gundam craze sweeping the nation, courtesy of Toonami... Wing did it once; 00 could be the show to do it again.

~bobsalot

Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:27:26 -0500

Gundam 00 is hands down the best gundam series that sunrise has done
it is a series that does not have the cheesy romance thing from seed
and its characters are like those from wing. They are deep and flawed
and are constantly questioning their actions. Gundam is supposed to be philosophical
and make the audience think and that is what gundam 00 does best.

~luminaireterrial

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:40:11 -0500

I also disagree that seed and 00 are mostly termed all over the internet as a remake of 0079 and wing. they just had the same elements but not a total remake. even the mobile suits on each series beat the ones present on the series that came before them

~EvenAngels

Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:54:06 -0500

Going back a few months to what hyperlite said, they are remakes of a sort. Not in the sense that they simply rehashed the ideas, but in the sense that they brought the older, classic Gundam series to the modern audience, and tied them in the views of the current society.

~Snaker

Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:52:13 -0500

I don't think that Gundam 00 is a remake of Gundam Wing, not even of Gundam Seed ^^ and especially not.

~BlueImpulse

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:28:28 -0500

I don't really remember Gundam Wing too much but I have to compare it with Gundam 00.

~darkhriss

Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:37:25 -0500

00 is brilliant. Seed is good. And they're not remakes. Just some new stories with our beloved Gundams.

~cloud11

Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:27:08 -0500

I wouldnt call it a remake, but there are many similarities between the last gundam series