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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 years, 6 months ago

 

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~Maxi-Ryu99

3 months, 1 week ago

 

Well, Unohana's appearance would have been reaaally short, IF it that battle really ended that quickly. But who knows that was just a diversion and Unohana will fight with her REAL last amount of strength to make it more enjoyable for Zaraki Kenpachi in the last stretches. And what will actually happen if Zaraki truly defeated Unohana? Will he go Berserk?...

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~Muraki3777

3 months, 1 week ago

 

Depends on what you mean by Berserk...he always was berserk...he was always someone no one dared to mess with without caution....what changed is...if he decides to fight every single captain in Soul Society right now like he always wanted to...no one can stop him...and I doubt any of them will be standing alive when he finishes...will he go berserk like that...perhaps the promise of a bigger fight with Juha will prevent it...

My hope for Unohana's survival was grounded on her bankai not appearing...and that happened even if we didn't quite understood how it worked...so although I hope she survived...I'm not so sure...

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~Maxi-Ryu99

3 months, 3 days ago

 

In the latest edition of Bleach:

Well it really looks like that the proud Yachiru Unohana, the one and ONLY Shinigami, that hot-headed Zaraki Kenpachi has ever paid respect and tribune and looked up to, is really going to pass away at his bare blade and hands. On the verge of losing Unohana, Zaraki Kenpachi hears a voice, a voice that indicates that he's possibly, most likely, and according to Unohana's final thoughts before passing away for good, hinting on a "PARTING GIFT", and I really mean,.... it seems to reveal THEEEE POSSIBILITY, for Zaraki Kenpachi to finally ATTAIN...... A..........

.... ............

...., but in the mean time, GUESS WHO DID...........NOT.......... PASS ......... Nima-YA Oh-ETSU's critical test, and has therefore .....LEAVE Soul Society (possibly) 4EVER......

EDIT:

on an end note: Nima-YA Oh-ETSU, refers to the "Asa-Uchi" not accepting Ichigo, "the pure Human", and that he ain't belonging to Soul Society, and that he's therefore banned from the Soul Society World.....

...... "BACK TO HIS ROOTS".... even if that means without ever returning to Soul Society......???????

So NOW WHAT, with Ichigo????

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~Muraki3777

3 months, 2 days ago

 

Unless Kubo wants to make us lose our mind not knowing when he is telling the truth or lying to us...Zaraki will not achieve Bankai...but nothing was said about him finally having a real zanpakutou...it was about time that his sword talked to him!

I think Nima-YA Oh-ETSU's words were very clear...Ichigo needs to know about his Quincy roots...it's time we find out about Ichigo's past...including his parent's secrets!

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~Maxi-Ryu99

3 months, 2 days ago

 

Quincy background,... yeah, well... I ain't so sure about what will happen to Ichigo, I mean, we won't know where the hell Nima-Ya Oh-ETSU has sent him to, yet, until we see it.

This dude also mentioned, he won't ever fix Tensa Zangetsu. But anyway, Zangetsu didn't even look like a typical Zanpaktou, unlike others, and indeed resembled more of a Vandenreich warrior look mixed with a hollow-Espada type.aybe Oh-ETSU San cannot fix ZANPAKTOUS that aren't pure ZANPAKTOUS. And Zangetsu is anything else than pure, but an ultimate raw powerhouse.

Or on the other hand, Oh-ETSU-sama just cannot bring himself to tell Ichigo, that indeed from the day of his birth, whatever happened in his early baby steps, he WAS THEEEE ENEMY of Soul Society, especially IF Juha Bach is truly Ichigo's biological father AND if Zangetsu was a Vandenreich warrior and brother of Juha Bach, or any kind of relative.

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~Muraki3777

3 months, 1 day ago

 

Nima-Ya Oh-ETSU might not be able to fix Zangetsu. like you said it was never a normal sword...specially if we take into account that it was never a "Asa-Uchi". Zangetsu appeared without Ichigo having to go through what Renji or others had to do to have a speaking sword. Zaraki is a very awful example...but look how long it took for his sword to talk with him...but it might have something to do with Isshin's family and not with all the rest...all the family seems to have really weird powers...

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 4 weeks ago

 

@Muraki3777: What if he lands in the Vandenreich, LOL,.... well I mean,.... on the other hand, that would be too obvious and too soon, to meet his possibly biological father Juha Bach.

I mean what else is there in possibilities? Hueco Mundo? ...

.... mystery after mystery it will take until Ichigo finds out about his TRUE bloodline and the secrets of Tensa Zangetsu, Isshin and his mother.

Maybe Nima-YA Oh-ETSU is mind-*******with Ichigo somehow and knows something about his past that he can't tell him face to face, at least not yet. I have the feeling Ichigo will find out something about his bloodline which will possibly affect him for the rest of his life,... possibly as the Ultimate Shinigami destroyer...

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 4 weeks ago

 

God...can you imagine Ichigo's face if he found himself in the Vandenreich's lair...it would be soooooooooo good...but I doubt it... I still don't think Juha is his father...I might be wrong...but I don't believe Isshin would have hid such a secret from Ichigo....that being said...no doubt whatever Ichigo is going to find out will be by him...Nima-YA Oh-ETSU must have sent him home...probably to Uruhara's house...and if Uruhara didn't spill the beans for this long I doubt he will reveal it now... I think the next stage of training for Ichigo will come by Ryuuken's hand...he is the only one capable of explaining to Ichigo how to control whatever Quincy powers he has...we might not see Zangetsu again...but I truly hope not...

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 4 weeks ago

 

@Muraki3777: You know what, I have completely forgotten about Urahara's place, because I was so excited about Vandenreich, Juha Bach and Zaraki Kenpachi,... What you just mentioned, I mean, the thing about Ryuuken, possibly becoming his next master, it has shocked me. I mean, think about, what Ishida would think now "Ichigo, my brother???? LOL?????"

And back to my Vandenreich thoughts, I STILL have the feeling that Juha Bach is Ichigo's biological father, because he called him son.

And now that I remember back, as you mentioned about Tensa Zangetsu,.... I guess there WAS actually a reason WHY in the end Zangetsu has given Ichigo permission to fire away the FINAL GETSUGA TENSHOU. In my theory he has lost his entire Shinigami powers AND SET ZANGETSU FREE, and maybe the Shinigami powers he attained back was from his Shinigami friends, without his original ZANGETSU SPIRIT AND SOUL,.... I mean, I don't sound to crazy. The Fullbring was just a physical component of Reiatsu that he attained from Ginjou Kuugo, with the difference that it wasn't Zangetsu.... And BTW it wasn't even mentioned that it REALLY WAS ZANGETSU, that Ichigo held in his hand, while Rukia and the other revived his Shinigami powers, with the ONLY difference, that it WASN"T HIS ORIGINAL TENSA ZANGETSU POWERS, you see what I mean???

Sounds a little complicated my thinking doesn't it. But my point was there WAS a reason why Tensa Zangetsu didn't want him to fire away the Final Getsuga Tenshou, ....

and on the side note, our friend @elleztim is missing A LOT, if he ever bothers to come back,.... it makes me running out of energy ideas to entertain our Bleach conversation.

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 4 weeks ago

 

Come on...Ishida will totally flip when he finds out that Ichigo is a Quincy...everything else will be torture for him...specially if my idea that Ryuuken and Masaki were siblings is correct...can you imagine Ishida's reaction? That might be Kubo's idea for ending Bleach...Ishida flips and destroys the world and everyone is sent to Soul Society! lol

You might be on to something...you're right...we never got confirmation that Zangetsu was still there like we never found out what happened to the hollow so it's quite possible that like in the start the sword he wielded to defeat Ginjou was not his own...like when Rukia gave him his powers...he had a sword but it wasn't a zanpakutou...

hang in there my friend...

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~kikaiwakashimazu

2 months, 4 weeks ago

 

I wish they had continued with the series is that it takes much appreciation to many characters About the only manga I'm reading, it is rather expensive .. I have only the volume # 1 but will come in a month's Book Fair, and the publishing house that translates so involved, I'll buy some more .. but occasionally I read online.No long time, so I would not hurt the view from reading on the computer. I really like is the development of manga (but not the series)

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 3 weeks ago

 

So NOW..... in the latest edition of Bleach, Nimai-YA Oh-ETSU sent Ichigo flying..... back home at Karakura town, where he met his female boss from his part time job, where he once met Ginjou Kuugo...

The unlikely couple had a chit chat quarrel, until from out of nowhere, Shinigami Captain Isshin Kurosaki appeared, IN REAL SHINIGAMI LIFE FORM, invisible for Ichigo's female boss....

... with the Substitute Shinigami badge left behind, Ichigo followed Isshin, his current father, who was now ready and waiting to tell Ichigo the origins of his mother.... who by identity was truly, and foremost.. and apparently....... from royal blood, a QUINCY, having helped Isshin Kurosaki, when he was down...

So now, neither Shinigami nor Human, next thing to clarify is who of the two, Juha Bach from the Vandenreich, or Shinigami Captain Isshin was Ichigo's "biological father"...

So there you have it, @Muraki3777, go ahead and "express your thoughts with your most innerly honest genuine emotions...."

EDIT: Ishida:"WWWWWWTTTTTTTFFFFFFFF??????!???!!!! ICHIGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

LOOOLLLLLL

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~theman4life

2 months, 3 weeks ago

 

Its about darn time we get some backstory on Ichigo's mom. Hopefully this flashback lasts a few chapters. Wonder what kind of excuse Kubo is gonna have for a quincy mom getting duped by grand fisher.hahaha.

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 3 weeks ago

 

@ Maxi...you said you wanted my genuine emotions...so here it is...

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDD

....Isshin's a lolicon pervert! Just kidding! Couldn't help it seeing that Masaki is a high school student and knowing Isshin is probably more than a hundred years old. lol

seriously...it was about time that Isshin's past was revealed...this chapter didn't exactly bring anything new...it solidifies the idea that Masaki was a Quincy (apparently unrelated to Ryuuken) and since her name was Kurosaki...it also solidifies the idea that Isshin is a Shiba. I will be jumping up and down until next week! I really hope Kubo won't delay Ichigo's and Isshin's talk switching scenes!

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 3 weeks ago

 

@Muraki3777: That was a kick-a$$ response worthwhile, our friends @elleztim and @shinangels don't know what they are missing for over 3 months already,.... too bad....

While there STILL EXISTS the possibility that Isshin indeed MAY NOT BE Ichigo's biological father, due to the fact that he TOLD Ichigo, that he TRULY ISN'T a Shinigami, by bloodline,....the NEXT questions that are going through my mind, crisp and clear are:

  1. If Ichigo never was a pure Shinigami by bloodline, not even halfways, or half blood, why was Rukia able to transform him into a "Substitute Shinigami", and therefore enable him to fight such as one, with Shinigami Reiatsu????

  2. Was Rukia actually forced or ordered to awaken Ichigo's power and watch over him for his entire Substitute Shinigami career?

  3. How much does Byakuya know about Isshin, and have they ever met or even dueled each other before? How much does Byakuya possibly know about Ichigo's birth?

  4. Why would Yama-Gi and the Soul Society Shinigami squads, accept Ichigo as a Substitute Shinigami later on, when they actually treated him like a piece of crap, the first time he met Byakuya and Renji, just because of his desire to save Rukia??

  5. Why did Yama-Gi and the Shinigami Captains of Soul Society even LET Ichigo fight as Substitute Shinigami, when at the end Nimai-YA OH-ETSU sent him flying back to Karakura town, telling him he ain't a real bloodline Shinigami in the first place, but just a "FAKE Shinigami??

Referring to the last point, I assume Yama-Gi and his Captain squads wanted to use Ichigo's ridiculous power development for their own SELFISH purposes to eradicate any of their opposition, including their worst enemies the Vandenreich warriors; and let me tell you again that I assume, that Soul Society IMO may have not been such goodie-goodie guys with a clean vest, so what I'm saying here is, that Ichigo may have been a Vandenreich bloodline, and fought for the wrong side all the time by unknowingly helping his WORST ENEMIES=YAMA-GI AND THE SHINIGAMI CAPTAIN SQUAD <- IF THAT WAS the case, I think Nimai-YA Oh-ETSU, would have had a GOOD REASON to send him away from Soul Society, since Ichigo could really become a threat and possibly their worst enemy, as soon as he finds out, that he's truly a Vandenreich bloodline prince and biological son of either Juha Bach or Tensa Zangetsu.

I also assume that Nimai-YA Oh-ETSU KNEW something about Isshin, Masaki, Aizen, Yama-Gi, Urahara, Juha Bach, Tensa Zangetsu and all the related incidents and circumstances that happened between them and new born Ichigo.... Let me just assume that Tensa Zangetsu may have been one of the first Vandenreich species warriors captured by Soul Society and treated as guinea pig experiments in Zanpaktou creations...

If neither Isshin, nor Juha Bach were Ichigo's REAL biological father, I have somebody else in my mind, and that somebody could turn out to be a very well known former Shinigami Captain who has conducted Hollowfication experiments and thus making himself an Espada....

.... I'm talking about Aizen, the ONE AND ONLY AIZEN, because the thing that I noticed was, I didn't see any similarities in comparing Isshin and Ichigo's facial looks. Aizen as Ichigo's father would also make sense, because he was half Espada, as far as I am concerned, or it could be that Aizen, after revealing his true intentions in betraying Soul Society, has actually pumped up his genes with Espada power from all his experiments.

For the plot, it would be too obvious IF Isshin were Ichigo's biological father...

Or let's say if Aizen is not Ichigo's biological father, but Juha Bach, then Masaki Kurosaki must have been possessed by a Hollow in one of her battles. I mean, if Shinigami can be possessed by Hollows, whynot Quincies as well....

My biological father speculations don't stop here yet: I think that maybe EVEN Tensa Zangetsu could have been Ichigo's father, because, Tensa's hollow half looks EXACTLY like Ichigo from Head, face to stance....

So in conclusion I have 3 possible people who could be Ichigo's Biological father: Juha Bach, Aizen or even Tensa Zangetsu

@Muraki3777: Oh yes, and don't forget to tell me, what Ishida's reaction would be, IF he found out, he DOES have a HALFBROTHER in Ichigo.... (Ishida:"WWWWWTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFF ICHIGO?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!")

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 3 weeks ago

 

Although I see why you still doubt Isshin's role in Ichigo's life you are forgetting two major details...

1: Ichigo is exactly alike Kaien...the only difference being the hair color which he got from his mother...and you can't possibly still doubt that Isshin is a Shiba... and 2: don't forget their bankais....it's impossible for Ichigo to have such similarities with Isshin and not sharing a blood tie...and besides...I think you ara giving Isshin's words too much meaning...tecnically Ichigo isn't a Shinigami like he also isn't a hollow...because he is still alive...he is human by definition.

to answer your questions...

1: I'm not sure but I think that what Rukia did back then wasn't exactly impossible or unheard of in Soul Society...she didn't turn Ichigo into a Shinigami...she gave him shinigami powers...but all that Ichigo was made him suck all of her powers until he was defeated by Byakuya.

2: She wasn't forced. but we do know their meeting was manipulated by Aizen. Did Aizen knew Ichigo was a Quincy? We never found out what exactly Aizen was going to say to Ichigo right before Isshin appeared...we all assumed he was going to reveal Isshin's secret...but what if it was Masaki's secret that made Ichigo so interesting for Aizen. And if anyone was keeping Ichigo under watch...it had to be Ishida...think about it...Ishida was always in the same class as Ichigo but he never even talked to him until the shinigamis entered his life...it was Ishida who approached Ichigo first even...

3: That's something I am also very curious about. We know Byakuya had a great deal of respect for the Shiba family...something that isn't easy to achieve...I always assumed that it had something to do with Kaien...but Yoruichi, Isshin and Urahara were a team...that became clear while they fought Aizen...and since Yoruichi was Byakuya's teacher no doubt there was some sort of contact! ?

4: Besides Yoruichi and Urahara and Aizen who knew in Soul Society that Ichigo's father was a shinigami? No one besides these three saw him fight...Ichigo's family name is Kurosaki...I doubt this name raised any kind of flags in Soul Society...and besides Rukia and Byakuya the only person who saw the resemblances between Ichigo and Kaien was Ukitake...and even him found it a simple coincidence...Soul Society saw Ichigo as tool much like Ginjou

5: and that is why they turned him into a substitute shinigami. And they still need him! Regardless of who he is they still need him to fight Juha...so I don't think Nimai-YA OH-ETSU sent Ichigo back to delay is evolution...quite the contrary...for it to happen Ichigo needs to know who he is...all of him...

and to end...Ishida's reaction to any kind of family relation to Ichigo...

Eyes pop out!"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! * Girly scream worthy of Psico* "BUM" Sound of a gun blowing Ishida's head off

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 2 weeks ago

 

In the latest edition of the Bleach Manga

Dear @Muraki3777: I think you're TERRIBLY RIGHT about Isshin, and you were by no means kidding... 'CAUSE HE'S EVEN WORST THAN A LOLICON PERVERT SHINIGAMI CAPTAIN. HE WAS THE ULTIMATE DIRTY IN-YOUR-FACE-DISGRACE MASTER-OF-DISASTER-LOLITA-LOLICON-ADDICTED-SEXIST-FETISHIST-BOOBS-HENTAI-PEEPING-TOM-SHINIGAMI-CAPTAIN OF DIVISION 10, who would publicly talk about Rangiku's shiny big boobs, and lift up kiddie boy Toushirou up with both hands as if he were his own toddler-Baby son, up in the air..., really upsi daisy style...

And take a guess what kind of incidence took place during this time,... Sosuke Aizen and his pndelum Arc, where Aizen hunted down Hirako Shinji to turn them into Vaizards. I think we will get to see the full version of it, including Isshin's and Masaki's part in it.

What was Isshin's and Masaki's connection with Aizen and Urahara and Hogyouku?

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 2 weeks ago

 

I will never ever again accuse a character of Bleach of being a lolicon pervert...except Shunshui...because that one we already know he is a complete pervert! But after such a amazingly weird discovery I am left to wonder who else is a closet lolicon pervert...do you have any guesses my friend?

Another pendulum arc!! Yay!!! I was eager for this although I am having a bit difficulty to understand the timeline of this one compared to the other one! Was this before or after Kaien's first death? Because Aizen is still doing his experiments and he talked about experiments to squadron members...

Do you remember talking about Aizen's experiments being the cause for Ichigo's hollowfication? Because it's quite possible he does have something to do with it...

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 2 weeks ago

 

Well, I mean, first of all, we must confirm, whether Aizen's experiments included NOT only Hirako Shinji's group, but Quincies and Vandenreich Warriors as well?

Were Aizen's experiments conducted on Masaki Kurosaki or on newborn Ichigo as well? Or did Aizen create Tensa Zangetsu from out of his Hogyouku experiments to fue with baby Ichigo or with Masaki?

I bet Hirako Shinji was first, and the Quincy clans, including Vandenreich warriors next, especially with Ichigo's mom confirmed as a full blood quincy.

Also it isn't yet confirmed whether she was either from Ryuken's or Juha Bach's Vandenreich clan? But I bet it was Vandenreich clan, because Juha Bach called Ichigo his son born in the dark. That will determine whether Isshin, Juha Bach or even Aizen is Ichigo's biological father?

This arc will IMO be the deciding factor to determine:

  1. How Juha Bach got involved with Yama-Gi, and the reason why they really fought against each other?
  2. Were Yama-Gi and Soul Society really the good or were they rather evil? Did Yama-gi want to actually kill Masaki along with Ichigo, when he found out about Isshin's and Masaki's relationship?
  3. Did Ichigo fight for the wrong side all along, protect the wrong allies?
  4. Remember Juha Bach intended to beat some senses to Ichigo, so he actually knew something about Ichigo's true bloodline

The deciding factor will however be

  • Did Nimai-Ya Oh-ETSU send him flying away from Soul Society, because he may KNOW that one day Ichigo might become Soul Society's worst enemy, once he found out the possible bitter truth about his TRUE bloodline?
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~Muraki3777

2 months, 2 weeks ago

 

I think it's quite possible that Aizen tracked down the "last of the quincy" to make them guinea pigs for his hollow experiments...either he had something to do with Ichigo's strange combination of powers or not is unclear...but I wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with the Vandenreich's tecniques that differ so much with Ishida and Ryuuken's way of doing things. Aizen might have been the one to give them a way to block the bankais.

Since we don't know how the Quincies were organized before and after Yama-gi's attack it's quite possible that they had clans like the noble shinigami families...but even if Masaki has family ties with Juha...there's got to be some sort of relation with Ryuuken..or else he wouldn't have befriended Isshin...we know Kubo isn't exactly fan of drawing love stories...but Masaki, Ryuuken and Isshin might have had a love triangle...

1: That's the really weird thing...from what we saw...Juha was the leader of the Quincy when Yama-gi tried to erradicate them..several hundred years before Ishida or Ichigo...or their fathers for that matter...were born...Yama-gi grew into an old man...but Juha didn't...he most certainly was placed under some sort of seal and was released...perhaps by Aizen?!

2/3: Soul Society is definitely flawed...how flawed is still a mystery.... I think it's quite possible that the reason Isshin hid as a simple human in the real world giving up his powers might be because he was chased by Yama-gi and the others...however...if Yama-gi knew of Masaki he would have recognized the name Kurosaki...and we don't have proof he ever did...

4: yeah...but let's face it...he also knew everything about everyone in Soul Society and the Real World...

I don't know...it's possible...but I must say I am more interested in finding out how Ichigo has a zanpakutou without ever having a asauchi...

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 2 weeks ago

 

I mean, even IF Yama-Gi knew Masaki Kurosaki by full and last name, imagine how hard it would have been for him to tell Ichigo; "Hey by the way, I knew your mother and I actually tried to kill you and her"...

I think that in the end, it was tough to swallow even for the proud Yama-Gi to see his possibly worst ever enemy in Ichigo helping Soul Society, for all the hidden wars they have committed against the Vandenreich and Hueco Mundo and the disgrace that Soul Society might have put onto his bloodline.

I guess, Ichigo's development has reached the far reaches of the galaxy up to the Vandenreich to Juha Bach who watched his prodigal son since birth.

I can't wait to see what really happened in the full version of Aizen's pendilum arc, where Hirako Shinji and his squad were his first Hollow guinea pigs.

I wanna see also, whether Ginjou Kuugo was involved and whether he became Isshin's first student, because he was the first ever Substitute Shinigami prior to Ichigo. Did Isshin pass on his powers to him? Or otherwise, how could Kuugo ever ask Ichigo "What do you really know about your father?"

Everything has a connection, you see, and I can't wait to see more...

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 2 weeks ago

 

But would Yama-gi allow the shinigamis to help Ichigo recover his powers knowing what and who he was?

I agree with you...can't wait for the next chapter!

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 1 week ago

 

Only two things to be taken away from the latest edition of Bleach:

Masaki Kurosaki was adopted by the Ishida clan, and to our technically speaking hell of surprise, she was supposed to marry Ryuken Ishida to maintain the proud Ishida Quincy clan tradition. And Ryuken's mom seems to be anything else than happy about it. When Ryuken mentioned about his dad's whereabouts, his mom answered he was at the 5th field. while they memtioned it, they could have referred to Juha Bach. Just a wild guess...

In the mean time Isshin has arrived at Karakura town ... "to take a pee...."

.... when all of a sudden he faced a hollow that looks all too familiar to all of us....

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 1 week ago

 

I was expecting a connection of this sort between Ryuuken and Masaki but it's interesting to find out that previously the Kurosaki family had a higher rank than that of the Ishida's...makes me wonder if Masaki's parents were related to Juha. We also might have a short glimpse of Ishida's mother...it might be the maid...

...the pee metaphor is unique lol...

The hollow looks really really familiar...we know that Isshin and Masaki will meet while Isshin fights this hollow...he will lose and Masaki, who will also be injured, will be the one to beat him. We know Ichigo is a fullbringer because his mother was attacked by a hollow before his birth...so this gotta be it! The question is...what kind of bond is formed between a fullbringer and the hollow because there is no doubt that Ichigo's hollow took on the form of this one...

edit: We also might have to take into consideration that Ichigo, and not Grand Fisher, was the one who killed Masaki on that rainy day...

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 1 week ago

 

What you are practically saying, in other words, crisp and clear, would be, Ichigo went Berserk as a kid hollow, maybe in an attempt to kill Grand Fisher and ended up killing his mom as well, or what...? How would you explain that???

Well if you and I remember correctly, Tensa Zangetsu and that Hybrid Hollow fused together, while Zangetsu mentioned that they were once ONE AND THE SAME PERSON, maybe that familiar Hollow ..... was Tensa Zangetsu IN FLESH AND BLOOD, .... but we will only know for sure if we can witness either Isshin or Masaki hitting a crack in its hollow mask.

And apart from that there is that good old biological father issue... if it is neither Isshin, nor Juha Bach, it could've as well been Ryuken, because maybe the two somehow became friends, and he begged Isshin to take care of Ichigo on his behalf without telling him the truth, until the time is right.

Also, now that you mention Fullbringer, I asked that question in my last post, but could it also be that Ginjou Kuugo got involved and became Isshin student and successor as first ever Substitute Shinigami prior to Ichigo. Was Isshin the one who passed on his powers on to Ginjou Kuugo and made him the first ever Substitute Shinigami.

The reason I'm asking that is because when Kuugo and Ichigo met the first time he mentioned to him "What do you really know about your dad?"

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 1 week ago

 

Yeah...something like that...when Grand Fisher attacked it's quite possible that Ichigo experienced one of his blackouts and turned into his hollow form...if so...Masaki wouldn't have been able to defend herself and Ichigo's hollow killed her...when Ichigo woke up...all was over...

(something like Songoku and Songohan grandfather)

if you are right about Tensa being that hollow...why would he be the spitting image of Juha?

Ichigo brother of Ishida...oh man...I so don't want to see Ishida destroying the world because of that...

It's possible that Isshin knowing that Masaki would give birth to a unique hybrid sought out the fullbringers himself namely Kuugo and formed some sort of bond if only to understand his unborn son better...because let's not forget...Ichigo's sisters are like him...

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 1 week ago

 

So let's just say, if Ichigo really went berserk as a kid Hollow, that would make Tensa Zangetsu a killer as well. I mean, there was no way am underage kid would have control over his Hollow half, when murdering his mother.

The next chapters, we have yet to confirm that the all too familiar hollow is truly Tensa Zangetsu in flesh and blood.

I think maybe Juha Bach has also been in command of some Arrancar, the same way as Aizen. I mean, we witnessed how he treated Halibel as their bitch, didn't we,... so in other words, this hollow could have truly been under Juha Bach's command, maybe under some experiment...

We'll see, we'll see, it's difficult for me to say, even for me at this point, because one part of Tensa Zangetsu looked TRULY like Vandenreich, when his two halves fused together to prevent Ichigo from acquiring the Final Tensa Zangetsu.

And now that I mentioned it, I think by releasing the Final Getsuga Tenshou and acquiring his Fullbring, I think, Ichigo has thrown away his raw Asa-Uchi, or maybe he never had one to begin with??

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 1 week ago

 

Everything is possible...if we think about it, tensa looks more connected to Ichigo's hollow side by the minute...this hollow seems to have some sort of connection to the rain and we know how tensa reacts to the rain...I think this hollow might be one of Aizen's...but if so why is he still saying that his experiments are failing?

He never had one to begin with...and that is really weird because he should have...and the weirdest thing is that every shinigami around him knew it wasn't normal but none ever told him...that's Renji stood silent while Nimai-Ya Oh-ETSU sent Ichigo home...

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~Maxi-Ryu99

2 months, 5 days ago

 

@Muraki3777:

From the quincies ancient history, I wonder what Ryuken's connection was with Juha Bach, if there was any? Because way back at the early beginning the Shinigami have hunted down the quincies the same way they have hunted down Hollows and Arrancar. We've also yet to determine whether Masaki has ever met Juha Bach, because now I'm reconsidering my thoughts on Juha Bach really being Ichigo's biological father.

We can safely assume that Juha Bach, had an eye on Ichigo every since he became a Substitute Shinigami. So IMO Juha Bach is a key piece in determining Ichigo's past, and also possible past relationships with Ryuken's clan, Masaki or even Isshin.

We already know that Juha Bach was a bitter rival for Yama-Gi. We have to figure out whether this dispute was about Isshin's and Masaki's forbidden love, and Ichigo's birth...

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~Muraki3777

2 months, 5 days ago

 

Juha Bach probably knew about Ichigo from birth much like Aizen did....I wouldn't be surprised if he found it very amusing that a child born from a shinigami and a quincy was born... It's hard to understand Juha's role in the Quincies because of Ishida's family who seem to have a very high status despite not being part of the Vandenreich. Even the name change seems to talk of a separation of the two groups...the Quincies and the Vandenreich. It also seems that in his youth Ryuuken's father wasn't so openminded as he was in the end about the shinigami and it's quite possible that he was involved with Juha...Ryuuken also seemed to care about the future of the Quincies...something that changed drastically and I wouldn't be surprised if if had something to do with Juha's way of doing things...

The crazy question of the week...do you think it's possible that the hollow that looks so much like Ichigo's vasto lorde is Ulquiorra's brother?

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